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Went to check Custom Ship Skins - ended up dissapointed [SOLVED]

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2014-05-27 08:16:31 UTC
War StalkeR wrote:
Some time ago, just to check Custom Ship Skins feature planned to be released in the Kronos update, I've installed Singularity EVE Online client and after seeing THAT, I've became really disappointed.

So, let's begin what I've hoped to see. I hoped to see, that player will have complete control over ship's skin customization, similar to Corporation Icon Design feature:
• 3 different layers of skin overlay to select from available pool of overlays.
• Ability to chose any color from palette for every skin separately.
• Ability to define any opacity value for every skin separately.

Such feature will allow players more immersive gameplay. Just try to imagine ships of entire alliance has same ship skins. I either won't mind spend on such ship customization any amount of Aurum.

When I eventually got to see current Ship Skins Customization feature, there were no end for my disappointment. No, seriously. For such lousy ships skins I won't pay even 0.01 ISK, not just Aurum. Because what players want to see on ships are THEIR ship skins, created and based on their wild imagination, and not on somebody else's.

I've didn't seen such failure of a feature that is about to be implemented for a while. Once again CCP you've impressed me, so I take off my hat before you.

CCP, I suggest you to either remove planned Ship Skins Customization feature or design and implement it as it should be and as other players asked it a long time ago to be. Personally, for current ship skins I won't even bother moving my finger, not just paying 0.01 ISK for them.


The current iteration of ship skinning is a test to see how much interest there is and if there's a point in developing it further. The current mechanic for it (BPC) isn't here to stay either and will be replaced eventually.
At FanFest the art team showed off an awesome tech demo for custom ship skins.

You would have known all this had you taken a few minutes to research the subject instead of blatantly coming to the forums to complain like an entitled little brat.

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#22 - 2014-05-27 08:17:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
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If nobody buys them now


Nobody wants the real stuff? Look at police comet. People wanted to have it so it's very succesful skin. People may be wanting something else and this trial program maybe serving a cute excuse for them later, that they can't go deeper the rabbit hole because people did not want. Did not want what? And what they actually wanted?

Customization, not a premade few alterations to a color scheme. Racing stripes!
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-05-27 08:31:35 UTC
War StalkeR wrote:
Read between the lines.
I quite honestly believe that expecting people to read between any lines at all on the internet is ****. You either say what you want to say or you don't.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

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Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#24 - 2014-05-27 11:19:59 UTC
War StalkeR wrote:
I don't lack justification. I've came to Singularity. I've seen stuff there. I wasn't happy with what I've seen


In which case the correct forum for you to vent your concerns would be Test Server Feedback and not general discussion as you seem to think :)
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-05-27 11:27:33 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
So before CCP go nuts with hundreds of hours of Dev time and thousands of hours of bug testing by Sisi people, first we need to actually show support for the concept of skins that cost rather than being a totally free addition.

and there is the problem: being in full support of ship skin customization i personally have no interest in few predefined skins they made "for test". For the start i don't fly these ships Lol Since they were added i haven't buy and used one skin(!!!). So from CCP's POV i don't support the main idea.

I'm pretty sure either people just start to buy and use these boring skins "to show support" spending our money for nothing or CCP will say "well... noone wants custom skins" What?

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#26 - 2014-05-27 11:34:28 UTC
War StalkeR wrote:
Some time ago, just to check Custom Ship Skins feature planned to be released in the Kronos update, I've installed Singularity EVE Online client and after seeing THAT, I've became really disappointed.

So, let's begin what I've hoped to see. I hoped to see, that player will have complete control over ship's skin customization, similar to Corporation Icon Design feature:
• 3 different layers of skin overlay to select from available pool of overlays.
• Ability to chose any color from palette for every skin separately.
• Ability to define any opacity value for every skin separately.

Such feature will allow players more immersive gameplay. Just try to imagine ships of entire alliance has same ship skins. I either won't mind spend on such ship customization any amount of Aurum.

When I eventually got to see current Ship Skins Customization feature, there were no end for my disappointment. No, seriously. For such lousy ships skins I won't pay even 0.01 ISK, not just Aurum. Because what players want to see on ships are THEIR ship skins, created and based on their wild imagination, and not on somebody else's.

I've didn't seen such failure of a feature that is about to be implemented for a while. Once again CCP you've impressed me, so I take off my hat before you.

CCP, I suggest you to either remove planned Ship Skins Customization feature or design and implement it as it should be and as other players asked it a long time ago to be. Personally, for current ship skins I won't even bother moving my finger, not just paying 0.01 ISK for them.


It's Singularity... a TEST server used for feedback and to find bugs. Not everything is put on at once. It is added as it is ready to be tested. And besides... the ship skin program is still in "Beta" as far as I know.
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#27 - 2014-05-27 14:00:52 UTC
Big smileDress up space barbies just aren't enough for you people, are they?

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.

War StalkeR
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-05-27 16:46:26 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
I also am more certainly capable of far more than telling people to shut up. You in particular warranted it. I usually spend the rest of my time here being helpful in the new player section. So much so CCP has thanked me individually for it.
Oh, I'm so sorry that I have Real Life and can't spend my entire life on forums.

Xercodo wrote:
D) Not seen how much of a **** you were to people that tried to inform you otherwise.
No, those who actually informed me, such as Antihrist Pripravnik, who linked me video, received my thanks. But everybody who asked me to shut up, received their directions. It's not me an *****, it some people who don't want to understand, that there are people who have real life, thus can't spend every second of their life on forums of EVE Online.

Debora Tsung wrote:
I quite honestly believe that expecting people to read between any lines at all on the internet is ****.
I quite honestly believed that people on the internet more clever, then you present them. It's shame, but you are right here and I'm wrong. People on the internet are as you present them.

Cypherous wrote:
In which case the correct forum for you to vent your concerns would be Test Server Feedback and not general discussion as you seem to think :)
My bad. Thanks for pointing out.
Solhild
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-05-27 17:39:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Solhild
I'd like to customise some of my ships, not keen on the variants used in this initial trial so haven't bought any.
Does this mean that I don't support ship skins so dev time should be cancelled -or- does it mean that dev time should be invested to deliver a workable UI for the version the Art panel showed?

For me, LP all the way, there should be an in game sandbox link to everything we fly, whatever the skin is.
Also very interested in alliance themes for ships, as with medals, this should cost lots of isk to set up so may help persuade people to drop Plex for them.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#30 - 2014-05-27 22:52:44 UTC
Solhild wrote:
I'd like to customise some of my ships, not keen on the variants used in this initial trial so haven't bought any.
Does this mean that I don't support ship skins so dev time should be cancelled -or- does it mean that dev time should be invested to deliver a workable UI for the version the Art panel showed?

For me, LP all the way, there should be an in game sandbox link to everything we fly, whatever the skin is.
Also very interested in alliance themes for ships, as with medals, this should cost lots of isk to set up so may help persuade people to drop Plex for them.

If you want LP, invest in a few police comets to show them the metrics support LP far more than Aur.
I'm sure the Devs know not everyone wants the particular skins they are releasing.
But if no-one at all was buying any of them, it would be a reasonable extrapolation to say that people aren't interested in paying Aur for ship skins at all.
Erufen Rito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-05-27 22:58:26 UTC
War StalkeR wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Also, they never said the full ship customization feature would be out in Kronos. Never. Not once. They said new skins will be out... but that is all.
If this feature is intended to be similar to what I see now, they better to drop it off and focus on other things.

Katrina Oniseki wrote:
So, on behalf of everyone who wants customizable ship skins... sit down and shut the **** up. You're only screwing **** up by posting.
Don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go.

He's right though, so you'd do well to listen and apply. You can tell me where to go all you want, but I can tell you likewise, because you are still wrong :D

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#32 - 2014-05-27 23:01:33 UTC
Solhild wrote:
I'd like to customise some of my ships, not keen on the variants used in this initial trial so haven't bought any.
Does this mean that I don't support ship skins so dev time should be cancelled -or- does it mean that dev time should be invested to deliver a workable UI for the version the Art panel?.

Ultimately, what CCP take away from the trial depends on what metrics they are most closely looking at.

Clearly from the devblog, pricing is one issue which they will obtain results of through total sales. However, discussion in the forum is also important feedback in terms of the overall demand for the capability, so i don't think not buying currently is a bad thing, as long as you make your voice heard in relevant discussion threads.
NIFTYGetAtMe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-05-27 23:08:08 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
War StalkeR wrote:
Again, don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go.


We'll tell you to shut up if we damn well please if you lack justification for the comments you're making or are otherwise uneducated in the forming of your opinions in a matter that is of significance to the community.

The proper thing to do in this case is to accept the new information, take a drop for humility, apologize for the mixup, and to rename the thread title and re-write the first post to "Okay nvm, misunderstanding".

Because leaving your thread here like it is is only going to attract more people like me that need to beat you over the head with how wrong you are because everyone else without half a brain are gonna make an opinion based on yours and that'll start a panic and we dont want that **** getting started over people that dont know what they're talking about in the first place.

omfg I would knock you the **** out IRL. I can almost smell how small-geek you are through my computer. You right though. OP should just admit it and move on.
Erufen Rito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-05-27 23:40:58 UTC
War StalkeR wrote:
Thanks.

Mana Shian wrote:
In any case OP, how do you feel now, seeing that video?
Taking my words back after seeing such epicness.

Xercodo wrote:
if you lack justification for the comments you're making
I don't lack justification. I've came to Singularity. I've seen stuff there. I wasn't happy with what I've seen. I've came here and expressed my disappointment. And in order to change my point of view you should have provided me with required information and links, like normal people did, without telling me to shut up.

If you fail to understand importance of the actions performed by normal people and everything you can do, is to ask people to shut up, I suggest you to visit this website and maybe it can help you to change your ways of thinking.

Shut up. Do your reasearch. You may not have all the time in the world to sit on the forums, but Google is a powerful tool, and it takes but mere minutes to use. In fact, you would've had your answer (I know I did) in much less precious time than what you invested in making your missinformed OP.
If you fail to grasp the concept of why you are wrong, why your attitude is wrong, why it is not our responsibility to point you in the right direction, and why you are being told to shove it, you really have no place in thisany discussion. We are not here to guide you. Like normal people, we search for what we are interested in learning, or commenting before bothering to type a text wall.

What it is abnormal, is for a self entitled prick to come here and demind guidance while throwing a hissy fit about being told to shove it.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165

Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#35 - 2014-05-27 23:46:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Xercodo
War StalkeR wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
I also am more certainly capable of far more than telling people to shut up. You in particular warranted it. I usually spend the rest of my time here being helpful in the new player section. So much so CCP has thanked me individually for it.
Oh, I'm so sorry that I have Real Life and can't spend my entire life on forums.

Xercodo wrote:
D) Not seen how much of a **** you were to people that tried to inform you otherwise.
No, those who actually informed me, such as Antihrist Pripravnik, who linked me video, received my thanks. But everybody who asked me to shut up, received their directions. It's not me an *****, it some people who don't want to understand, that there are people who have real life, thus can't spend every second of their life on forums of EVE Online.

Debora Tsung wrote:
I quite honestly believe that expecting people to read between any lines at all on the internet is ****.
I quite honestly believed that people on the internet more clever, then you present them. It's shame, but you are right here and I'm wrong. People on the internet are as you present them.

Cypherous wrote:
In which case the correct forum for you to vent your concerns would be Test Server Feedback and not general discussion as you seem to think :)
My bad. Thanks for pointing out.


Well your first problem is assuming that I have any qualms about spending a lot of my free time here. I have a passion for EVE and its community. The moment I get some decent free time you can bet I'll get some tickets out to meet some of the former corp mates and/or current ones. And when I can leave my current job without pulling the plug on it by my leaving I could realistically see working at CCP Games (the current job situation being the reason I'm probably not already working alongside guys like Falcon, Rise and Fozzie).

I like EVE players more than most others because we're as a whole more intellectual than other games communities and certainly more than the general public. Makes for good conversation, and we all do at least share one thing in common :P I will admit, however, that we're not infallible in that regard and still have a few retards here and there, but hey, it's the internet.

Which leads right into the second point. There's a reason that people drop the ball on sarcasm all the time on the internet. Text can't convey tone. Unless there's some deep intellectual discussion or other such context going on that would encourage reading between the lines we have no reason to do so. Nearly everything else will be taken at face value. Telling someone to read between the lines to get them off your back is a weak and lazy way of trying to imply that you totally meant what we were all talking about in the first place because you meant something completely different that'd make you more wrong than you care to admit to.

And you spending more time on the forums isn't what we care about here. It's about using them properly. Being uniformed isn't your fault unless you choose to remain that way. To your credit you made a thread that did have an overall effect of educating you on the bits you were missing, but you made the VERY bad move of forming conclusions and making demands based on your partially-uneducated opinion.

We don't care if you're on the forums once a day, once a week or once a month, if you start making conclusions about things you don't know about we'll tear you a new one regardless. If you ask us about the things that have been discussed since your last visit we'll gladly point you to the places where the new stuff can be found. If you want to make a conclusion anyway, at least preface it with your not being completely sure about details that would otherwise sway your opinion.

Take the pride down a notch and we'll all be happy.

And now that we have all of that out of the way and since I don't think anyone else has linked it yet, here's this: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/ship-painting-pilot-program/

P.S. I admit I forgot about the fact that this should have been pointed to the Test Server area like Cypherous pointed out. So you get brownie points for accepting that particular feedback.

Just understand though that when you're quick to jump on making demands on how things should be done or to making bad conclusions about things that have already been dismissed because of information you lack, we'll be just a quick to jump on you about it, which is why the first several answers are asking you to calm the **** down about something you don't know about. People like you are why the Magic Crystal Ball exists as a game item :P

The Drake is a Lie

Cyran Reinhard
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2014-05-27 23:48:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyran Reinhard
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#37 - 2014-05-27 23:53:08 UTC


heh I think you're a little late to the party there mate.

The Drake is a Lie

War StalkeR
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-05-28 17:28:40 UTC  |  Edited by: War StalkeR
Erufen Rito wrote:
He's right though, so you'd do well to listen and apply. You can tell me where to go all you want, but I can tell you likewise, because you are still wrong :D
Being wrong or right is just somebody's point of view.

Erufen Rito wrote:
Shut up.
You should visit this website with your foul mouth, it might help you.

Erufen Rito wrote:
What it is abnormal, is for a self entitled prick to come here and demind guidance while throwing a hissy fit about being told to shove it.
I believe, as faithful subscriber of EVE Online for last 7 years, I have some privilege over somebody, who barely seen and participated even at tenth part of events initiated by players I've seen and participated.

Xercodo wrote:
Being uniformed isn't your fault unless you choose to remain that way.
I completely agree here. But there were people who linked me the video, whom I'm thankful for that and I accepted that I were wrong. And there were people that just asked me to shut up, which of course received corresponding answer from me.

Xercodo wrote:
People like you are why the Magic Crystal Ball exists as a game item :P
I believe this item is a way better :D

Anyway, topic can be closed now, since answers were found and misunderstanding cleared.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#39 - 2014-05-28 21:49:12 UTC
Well since topics can't be "deleted" and only closed off I suggest you as the author of the thread go and edit the topic to indicate that all was solved and that future reads need not have anything to worry about.

Then report your own post for closing by an ISD using the little flaggy icon next to the timestamp.

The Drake is a Lie

Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#40 - 2014-05-28 22:06:02 UTC
NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:

omfg I would knock you the **** out IRL. I can almost smell how small-geek you are through my computer. You right though. OP should just admit it and move on.


This speaks volumes more about you than it does who you quoted. I just needed to point that out.

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