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[Kronos] Blockade Runner Rebalance

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#461 - 2014-05-26 11:41:46 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
I'm sure it's been mentioned already and the "Click to 1st Dev post" took me to Post #1 (*facepalm*) so:

Anyone flying a BR is cloaking, if you're not then you're failing. I think shifting the Scan Immunity to the DST from the BR would be a better move as it's a redundant bonus on a ship that should be cloaking as soon as it's moving.

DST's would become a wonderbox of risk = reward where it could be carrying billions or it could be empty...if you can pop it OFC.

I 'd love to know the numbers on how many BR's and DST's are used currently.

Flame on.


BRs get used a lot, DST rarely.

Also you idea needs tweaking, the scan immunity only works for NPC customs. This way the DST will have its specialized area but it will face risk from other players.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#462 - 2014-05-26 11:46:35 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
I'm sure it's been mentioned already and the "Click to 1st Dev post" took me to Post #1 (*facepalm*) so:

Anyone flying a BR is cloaking, if you're not then you're failing. I think shifting the Scan Immunity to the DST from the BR would be a better move as it's a redundant bonus on a ship that should be cloaking as soon as it's moving.

DST's would become a wonderbox of risk = reward where it could be carrying billions or it could be empty...if you can pop it OFC.

I 'd love to know the numbers on how many BR's and DST's are used currently.

Flame on.


BRs get used a lot, DST rarely.

Also you idea needs tweaking, the scan immunity only works for NPC customs. This way the DST will have its specialized area but it will face risk from other players.


I was thinking exactly the same on "BRs get used a lot, DST rarely.".

OK, taking it a stage further what about shift the Scan Immunity to the DST and but give it a Special Cargo Hold (limited OFC) that only has the Scan Immunity applied to it. Reduce the main Cargo Hold to compensate for the extra and then you have choice as well as risk. Make the second cargohold immune to Customs scans as well. We might see more Illegal Goods getting into Hi-Sec and a much needed Smuggler career.

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Ling Auffrie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#463 - 2014-05-26 14:30:40 UTC
Disclaimer: I haven't read all 24 pages so I have no idea if this has already been brought up but:

CCP Fozzie wrote:

VIATOR

Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1000(-266) / 1700(+1) / 2700(+98)


The Viator currently has 1899 Armor so should this be 1900(+1) or 1700(-199)?

Cheers.
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#464 - 2014-05-26 16:40:36 UTC
Myrthiis wrote:
Dun'Gal wrote:
Myrthiis wrote:
Honnestly a rig would be nice something like this :

-Electronics Superiority Rigs > scanner system blocker > 50 rigging point give "immune to player cargo scan " to any ships affected by Transport ship skill .
T2 version :75 rigging point give "immune to player and NPC cargo scan" to any ship affected by Transport ship skill .

For freighter now that rigs has been removed we could ask for a mod with t1 and t2 version ,mimicking the rig and affected by "racial" freighter skill .Roll

It would help mitigate "code" in HS , and this is a solution jester didn't envisaged in his blog .



lol are you seriously asking for scan immunity for freighters? get out


WHy not ? Not so long ago ,people who were asking for rigs and/or modules on freighter were laughed atRoll look now what was introduced a few days ago...

Because freighters should be fat targets if you are fool enough to fill with too much of your expensive crap. Let's not cater to the lazy sloth who can't be bothered to check the value of his cargo, or who wants to auto-pilot with his/her entire eve-life's savings 10 jumps through the busiest trade routes. Also this:
baltec1 wrote:
It would effectively remove an entire profession.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#465 - 2014-05-26 20:09:06 UTC
So Fozzie, are we going to get any word on removing the scan immunity? Because it's quite frankly stupid to keep it on there.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Myrthiis
Boon Odd Ducks Bath Toys
#466 - 2014-05-27 03:06:44 UTC
So Fozzie, are we going to get any word on extending the scan immunity to both BR and DST ? Because it's quite frankly an incredible mechanic to promote active flying over autopilot .
Rapscallion Jones
Omnibus Solutions
#467 - 2014-05-27 04:36:17 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Which I might add I've used many times when hauling expensive cargo, so don't tell me that it doesn't work.


Allow me to introduce you to the tactical bump, I'm sure you're well versed in its application. If not, I'm certain a man named James will be pleased to school you in its use.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#468 - 2014-05-27 04:37:49 UTC
Myrthiis wrote:
So Fozzie, are we going to get any word on extending the scan immunity to both BR and DST ? Because it's quite frankly an incredible mechanic to promote active flying over autopilot .


How does it promote active flying when its active when the pilot is afk too? Promoting active playing would be to remove it from BR so that the only way to be unscannable would be to activate the cov ops cloak and manually pilot the ship.

Also if you put an NPC customs scanner blocker on both ships the the DST will go unused because the BR would be so much better at not getting caught.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#469 - 2014-05-27 04:39:02 UTC
Rapscallion Jones wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Which I might add I've used many times when hauling expensive cargo, so don't tell me that it doesn't work.


Allow me to introduce you to the tactical bump, I'm sure you're well versed in its application. If not, I'm certain a man named James will be pleased to school you in its use.


That doesn't work on a ship that aligns like a frigate and warps cloaked.
Rapscallion Jones
Omnibus Solutions
#470 - 2014-05-27 04:40:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Rapscallion Jones
baltec1 wrote:
Rapscallion Jones wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Which I might add I've used many times when hauling expensive cargo, so don't tell me that it doesn't work.


Allow me to introduce you to the tactical bump, I'm sure you're well versed in its application. If not, I'm certain a man named James will be pleased to school you in its use.


That doesn't work on a ship that aligns like a frigate and warps cloaked.


Obviously you don't undock at hubs very often...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#471 - 2014-05-27 04:41:44 UTC
Rapscallion Jones wrote:


Obviously you don't undock at hubs very often...


Jita almost every day.

I have an undock safe that lets me warp off station and cloak instantly.
Rapscallion Jones
Omnibus Solutions
#472 - 2014-05-27 04:48:08 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Rapscallion Jones wrote:


Obviously you don't undock at hubs very often...


Jita almost every day.

I have an undock safe that lets me warp off station and cloak instantly.


Then you sir are a most fortunate pilot. Do instawarps work, yeah. But only when you don't turn into a pinball on undock. Don't be so disingenuous as to assume all pilots are as fortunate as you, I'm confident you've seen others experience the Jita conga line.
Juliandelphki
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#473 - 2014-05-27 04:51:42 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Rapscallion Jones wrote:
Please Goon, enlightening me further. How does one go about activating their cloaking device on undock in Jita, or anywhere else for that matter?

You don't, but there's this nifty thing called a bookmark that lets you warp off the undock instantly.

There are answers for everything, you're just not willing to accept that you have to put in a bit of work for your own safety.



Thank you that's what i'm saying. There are ways around everything you guys are talking about as drawbacks, with the 1 exception of the 50/50 drop rate.

It's better to explain yourself to 12 then to be carried by 6. It is better to ask forgiveness than permission.
Juliandelphki
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#474 - 2014-05-27 04:55:03 UTC
Rapscallion Jones wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Which I might add I've used many times when hauling expensive cargo, so don't tell me that it doesn't work.


Allow me to introduce you to the tactical bump, I'm sure you're well versed in its application. If not, I'm certain a man named James will be pleased to school you in its use.



Thank you for proving my point that it's goons who pushed this. God forbid anything passes that reduces their profit margins. Not that any cares that miners/builders/inventers are going to get shafted here in 10 day.

It's better to explain yourself to 12 then to be carried by 6. It is better to ask forgiveness than permission.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#475 - 2014-05-27 04:55:38 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Rapscallion Jones wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Rapscallion Jones wrote:


Obviously you don't undock at hubs very often...


Jita almost every day.

I have an undock safe that lets me warp off station and cloak instantly.


Then you sir are a most fortunate pilot. Do instawarps work, yeah. But only when you don't turn into a pinball on undock. Don't be so disingenuous as to assume all pilots are as fortunate as you, I'm confident you've seen others experience the Jita conga line.


You have 30 seconds in which you will warp away to your safe perfectly every single time when undocking. Luck has nothing to do with it, you have to be a special kind of bad to mess up an instawarp from a station, especially in a ship that aligns as fast as a frigate.
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#476 - 2014-05-27 04:58:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Rapscallion Jones wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Rapscallion Jones wrote:


Obviously you don't undock at hubs very often...


Jita almost every day.

I have an undock safe that lets me warp off station and cloak instantly.


Then you sir are a most fortunate pilot. Do instawarps work, yeah. But only when you don't turn into a pinball on undock. Don't be so disingenuous as to assume all pilots are as fortunate as you, I'm confident you've seen others experience the Jita conga line.


You have 30 seconds in which you will warp away to your safe perfectly every single time when undocking. Luck has nothing to do with it, you have to be a special kind of bad to mess up an instawarp from a station.

Or have bad insta-warps..

But ya.. My Orca, Freighter, BS's, transports, etc all make it out of every station I have an Insta at without issue.. With Jita and Amarr I always use it regardless of ship just to avoid the bumping (intentional and otherwise) and other nonsense at the station.
Rapscallion Jones
Omnibus Solutions
#477 - 2014-05-27 05:06:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Rapscallion Jones wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Rapscallion Jones wrote:


Obviously you don't undock at hubs very often...


Jita almost every day.

I have an undock safe that lets me warp off station and cloak instantly.


Then you sir are a most fortunate pilot. Do instawarps work, yeah. But only when you don't turn into a pinball on undock. Don't be so disingenuous as to assume all pilots are as fortunate as you, I'm confident you've seen others experience the Jita conga line.


You have 30 seconds in which you will warp away to your safe perfectly every single time when undocking. Luck has nothing to do with it, you have to be a special kind of bad to mess up an instawarp from a station, especially in a ship that aligns as fast as a frigate.


Blockade runners die on undock from Jita daily. Do they all use instawarps? No, I seriously doubt that although they should. I've not been killed on undock, however I'm aware of several individuals who have been and it was strictly a consequence of being caught in the congestion, unable to get aligned and warped in time. Mind you this was pre-scan immunity so the shooter knew they were worth shooting. Personally I'd have flown a Retriever BPO out of Jita in a bricked T3, not a BR.
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#478 - 2014-05-27 05:10:16 UTC
Rapscallion Jones wrote:
Blockade runners die on undock from Jita daily. Do they all use instawarps? No, I seriously doubt that although they should. I've not been killed on undock, however I'm aware of several individuals who have been and it was strictly a consequence of being caught in the congestion, unable to get aligned and warped in time. Mind you this was pre-scan immunity so the shooter knew they were worth shooting. Personally I'd have flown a Retriever BPO out of Jita in a bricked T3, not a BR.

Their deaths are their own fault. The Insta-warp is a mechanic that allows you to avoid all that. If someone chooses not to avail themselves of that, then they takes their chances.

I almost lost a ship, was told about insta's, and have been using them ever since.. so either it will be a learning experience, or natural selection :)

Also, for a BPO.. I'd probably go with a nano-interceptor myself.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#479 - 2014-05-27 05:15:26 UTC
Rapscallion Jones wrote:


Blockade runners die on undock from Jita daily. Do they all use instawarps? No, I seriously doubt that although they should. I've not been killed on undock, however I'm aware of several individuals who have been and it was strictly a consequence of being caught in the congestion, unable to get aligned and warped in time. Mind you this was pre-scan immunity so the shooter knew they were worth shooting. Personally I'd have flown a Retriever BPO out of Jita in a bricked T3, not a BR.


For 30 seconds you will fly through everything on the undock, the only way to be bumped is if you move yourself, in which case you have a terrible undock safe or you wait 30 seconds before you do anything.

Both cases is the pilot being bad at flying their ship.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#480 - 2014-05-27 05:37:03 UTC
It's really easy to tell if you're going to be bumped trying to warp, so you can just dock up before that happens. Do you people seriously not have the capacity to go "oh my ship's geometry is entirely inside of this freighter that just undocked as well, maybe I should dock up and try again in a few seconds in case he's broken invuln so I don't bump off him when I break invuln"?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)