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[Kronos] Mordu's Legion

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1121 - 2014-05-25 21:17:59 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
just compare its mobility and tank to the other attack lines of ships .... angels/serpentis ....

Sorry, but you're way off on this assessment; you have to allocate at least 2 target painters so that's a pretty thin tank.

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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#1122 - 2014-05-25 21:18:16 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
Hagika wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
the whole mordus line still need their tank nerfed ... missile enhancer mods should really have been planned along with them



Tank nerfed? You cant be serious....


just compare its mobility and tank to the other attack lines of ships .... angels/serpentis ....

Sure, I would agree to that. So long as it can apply the same damage as a blaster Vindi. That shouldn't be a problem right? Or are you just here to troll because that's all this thread is good for now
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#1123 - 2014-05-25 21:20:31 UTC
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
Hagika wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
the whole mordus line still need their tank nerfed ... missile enhancer mods should really have been planned along with them



Tank nerfed? You cant be serious....


just compare its mobility and tank to the other attack lines of ships .... angels/serpentis ....

Sure, I would agree to that. So long as it can apply the same damage as a blaster Vindi. That shouldn't be a problem right? Or are you just here to troll because that's all this thread is good for now


blaster vindi vs kiting mordus legion . hhmm... yes thats a sensible comparison ... its damage application is a different issue to mobility and tank ...

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#1124 - 2014-05-25 21:21:40 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
#1125 - 2014-05-25 22:02:03 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.

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What would be helpful is if you got on the Horn to CCP Rise or CCP Fozzie and told them to respond to their own thread... thus it would minimize what the wolves are Left alone to do!

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1126 - 2014-05-25 22:06:44 UTC
Cordo Draken wrote:
What would be helpful is if you got on the Horn to CCP Rise or CCP Fozzie and told them to respond to their own thread... thus it would minimize what the wolves are Left alone to do!

Leaders are like eagles around here... we don't have them anymore.

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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#1127 - 2014-05-25 22:26:36 UTC
Cordo Draken wrote:
ISD Ezwal wrote:
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

The Rules:
5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.

26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.

Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued.


What would be helpful is if you got on the Horn to CCP Rise or CCP Fozzie and told them to respond to their own thread... thus it would minimize what the wolves are Left alone to do!

Quoting before post removal.... Roll
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1128 - 2014-05-25 22:32:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
Cordo Draken wrote:
What would be helpful is if you got on the Horn to CCP Rise or CCP Fozzie and told them to respond to their own thread... thus it would minimize what the wolves are Left alone to do!

Quoting before post removal.... Roll
Quoting your quote.

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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#1129 - 2014-05-25 22:32:51 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
Hagika wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
the whole mordus line still need their tank nerfed ... missile enhancer mods should really have been planned along with them



Tank nerfed? You cant be serious....


just compare its mobility and tank to the other attack lines of ships .... angels/serpentis ....

Sure, I would agree to that. So long as it can apply the same damage as a blaster Vindi. That shouldn't be a problem right? Or are you just here to troll because that's all this thread is good for now


blaster vindi vs kiting mordus legion . hhmm... yes thats a sensible comparison ... its damage application is a different issue to mobility and tank ...

Your arguments seem to be that:
A missile ship that could apply it's damage to a same size hull without using it's rig slots and still having to use mids at close range would be OP.
A missile ship that could deal Pirate level damage would be OP.
A missile ship that can do Pirate level speed would be OP.

It seems to me that what you really want in a Mordu's ship is something as slow as a Raven, with the application of a Phoenix, and the damage of a banana.

What exactly are you doing in this thread besides trolling with your "nerf the Mordu's" posts?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1130 - 2014-05-25 22:33:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
My kingdom for a dev response... With my luck it'll be "Thread closed".

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#1131 - 2014-05-25 22:52:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
Quote:
the whole mordus line still need their tank nerfed ... missile enhancer mods should really have been planned along with them


Tank nerfed? You cant be serious....

just compare its mobility and tank to the other attack lines of ships .... angels/serpentis ....
Sure, I would agree to that. So long as it can apply the same damage as a blaster Vindi. That shouldn't be a problem right? Or are you just here to troll because that's all this thread is good for now

blaster vindi vs kiting mordus legion . hhmm... yes thats a sensible comparison ... its damage application is a different issue to mobility and tank ..
Your arguments seem to be that:
A missile ship that could apply it's damage to a same size hull without using it's rig slots and still having to use mids at close range would be OP.
A missile ship that could deal Pirate level damage would be OP.
A missile ship that can do Pirate level speed would be OP.

It seems to me that what you really want in a Mordu's ship is something as slow as a Raven, with the application of a Phoenix, and the damage of a banana.

What exactly are you doing in this thread besides trolling with your "nerf the Mordu's" posts?


this post of yours looks like a nonsensical troll...
what i'm saying is if you make a reasonable like for like comparison .. you will see that the mordus ships tank attributes are OP compared to ships with a similar role..

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1132 - 2014-05-25 22:55:34 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
this post of yours looks like a nonsensical troll...
what i'm saying is if you make a reasonable like for like comparison .. you will see that the mordus ships tank attributes are OP compared to ships with a similar role..

Can't speak to the Frig or Cruiser so much on tank, but with the BS, it's tank it's on par with the other Pirate BS ships.. RS Excluded of course.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#1133 - 2014-05-25 22:59:46 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
this post of yours looks like a nonsensical troll...
what i'm saying is if you make a reasonable like for like comparison .. you will see that the mordus ships tank attributes are OP compared to ships with a similar role..

Can't speak to the Frig or Cruiser so much on tank, but with the BS, it's tank it's on par with the other Pirate BS ships.. RS Excluded of course.


mordus - are attack line
angel - are attack line
serpentis - are attack line

sansha - supposed too be attack line but seem too be inbetween for some reason

gurista - are combat line
blood raider - are combat line

attack line - is low tank but fast good projection .. like a cynabal
combat line - are tanky brawlers .. like a gila

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1134 - 2014-05-25 23:01:27 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
attack line - is low tank but fast good projection

Have you run the actual damage application numbers? They're abysmal...

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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#1135 - 2014-05-25 23:12:36 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
attack line - is low tank but fast good projection

Have you run the actual damage application numbers? They're abysmal...


elaborate, because I think you're wrong
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1136 - 2014-05-25 23:15:10 UTC
TrouserDeagle wrote:
elaborate, because I think you're wrong

Sure, give me a weapon system to compare on the Barghest vs. another hull.

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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#1137 - 2014-05-25 23:17:51 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
TrouserDeagle wrote:
elaborate, because I think you're wrong

Sure, give me a weapon system to compare on the Barghest vs. another hull.


are you baiting me or something? cruise missiles and torps obviously.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1138 - 2014-05-25 23:19:55 UTC
TrouserDeagle wrote:
are you baiting me or something? cruise missiles and torps obviously.

Nope. Cruise missiles and torpedoes, check (will do Faction as well as T2). Which hull(s) would you like a comparison against the Barghest?

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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#1139 - 2014-05-25 23:21:37 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
TrouserDeagle wrote:
are you baiting me or something? cruise missiles and torps obviously.

Nope. Cruise missiles and torpedoes, check (will do Faction as well as T2). Which hull(s) would you like a comparison against the Barghest?


I am able to run the numbers myself, what I'm asking you is your idea of what the comparison should be - to post the numbers that you are saying are low. what do you think it should be able to hit that it cannot.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1140 - 2014-05-25 23:23:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
TrouserDeagle wrote:
I am able to run the numbers myself, what I'm asking you is your idea of what the comparison should be - to post the numbers that you are saying are low. what do you think it should be able to hit that it cannot.

A fair comparison would seem to be with the Raven Navy Issue, Golem - possibly the Typhoon Fleet Issue? Missiles can hit anything, that's not the issue. But applying more than 50% of rated DPS without implants, full rigors and a pair of target painters is going to be a challenge.

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