Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This concerns me.

If the pilot who enters the plex 1st then warps out does the NPC spawn return to the button fast?

Otherwise you have the unfortunate tactic of "defend the system by dragging the spawn off grid and make the plex impossible to complete" ( without a fast ship to scout the spawn and what if it is a medium.).

NPC spawns should return to base pretty fast or it is broken.

Sounds to me like you just want it all your way.
Devs have actually done a really good job here (for anyone who has read some of my posts in other threads, you will know, I don't give praise to Devs often).
This is a positive change, the few cloaky hunters that are now "disadvantaged" so that farmers and especially BOTS can no longer cloak up in plexes, I suggest you try to look at the positives.

1; Stabbed fits will become rare in plex's - no need to sneak into them cloaked, you land on the gate cloaked and only decloak when you engage the gate. If a plexer reacts quick enough to evade you with so little lead time, he deserves to get away.

No Covert Cloaks - Just means your cloaky Stratios or Astero is not "insta win", you will have to actually work a little harder to get point.

2; More NPC's in plexes that aren't going to die with 1 shot - Time it right the plexer is busy shooting 1 of the many NPC's and misses your arrival on Dscan until too late.

3; Botters are going to have a much harder time of making LP / ISK - Just camp 1 of the plexes he is trying to run or keep forcing his bots to warp out - If you have proof it is a botter, send the info to support, you will be surprised how quickly CCP acts when they do actually catch them

4; There will still be farmers (as there should be) but they will be much easier to catch if your smart - No or at worst, less stabs and no cloaking = More targets for the persistent.

5; Devs have handed plex hunters a golden goose and many of you are complaining because it can't lay its eggs constantly.
Done right, you will get far more eggs from the goose than was ever before possible.

FW is about more than just "your" right to kill plexers the way you want.
Both PVE and PVP together are what make a good FW environment. I think the new balance is a good start for better Warzones.

All factions have farmers, try supporting them and inviting them to your PVP fleets - Some of them might just surprise you.

People are not complaining about farmers, we are complaining about Clocky stabs farmers

so to prevent that reducing the radius of capturing and incresing the range of cloacky disruption would be great.
and simply deny acces to warp core stabs = no need Astero or cloaky hunter.

To farm no need of WCS so..... yes we want farmers but not this kind of farmers when you go farm your high sec lvl 4 mission you don't put WCS so don't bring it in FW farm.

you need to get out more.

Astero.

Like I said above - YOU JUST WANT IT ALL YOUR OWN WAY.

I'm not sure if you are now trolling or just really bad at PVP.

You could use a 2 ml isk frig as a plex hunter (many do, and to great success) - The fact you choose to spend more is entirely your choice. You want to be able to take a Titan to a battleship fight and get all the kills - It will never happen.
Right ship for the job does not mean most expensive. Most expensive, is choice.

THOUSANDS of players everyday hunt in FW plexes - 1% of those use covert cloaks, so the whole of FW needs to change to suit 1%. Who really don't get any more kills than those who don't use cloaks - BUT SURE DO WINGE A LOT MORE.

Heavypredator - You know with every new post you make complaining - You are just making yourself look worse and worse.


I've seen 1 in my time in FW, an Astero sitting on the warpin - he decloaked and locked me just as 2 friends with me landed in the plex. Poor guy screemed like a Banshee when, I as the bait died but the remaining 2 T1 frigates tore him a new one.
He even petitioned CCP claiming we had somehow hacked "because he was cloaked and how did we know he was there".

We knew he was there because, it was the only active plex in system and another FW member has seen him enter the plex.
He had decloaked as he landed on the gate, only for a few seconds but it was long enough for a keen observer. We took a guess he may still be there and it paid off.

My point is - Covert Cloak as an "I WIN" doesn't always work and it never should.


Well as has been said close to 100 times in this thread - With the coming changes, that will not be an issue, you are essentially complaining about something that has already been fixed.

Get on SISI and try the changes out - If you can't for some reason, talk to someone you know who has and ask them. Just please, stop repeating the same old drivel about cloaky stabbed farmers.

wow sad...

Actually I spend a lot of my time flying Blops - I have Widow, Sin and 4 X cyno 5 alts.
I just choose not to use 1 bil isk ships to kill frigates in plexes.

Calling me ignorant just shows pure ignorance, you presume but you presume wrong.
You see removing cloaks as a negative thing but are not seeing any of the positives. I would say it is you that is ignorant, you are unable to consider a point of view that differs from your own.
You have not bothered to test the upcoming changes yet are adamant they are bad.

I wrote earlier, that's my suggestion:

NPC and Spawning Changes

The respawn timers of NPCs need a bit optimization, the current timers on test server is too short and unbalanced, there's my suggestion:

- Novice complexes (10 minutes) > 100-200 seconds instead of 90-180 seconds
- Small complexes (15 minutes) > 150-300 seconds instead of 90-180 seconds
- Medium and Large complexes (20 minutes) > 200-400 seconds instead of 90-300 seconds

With these new stats NPC spawn rate will be equal for each 3 complexes in their capture time, for a random timer you need to kill at least 3-6 NPC in complexes.

U mad bro

They're CLOAKED. How hard is this?