Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What is the risk to the ganker?

Personally...I don't really care.

The reason BRs got scan immunity in the first place is because the Orca used to have it with the Corp Hangar, and when that became scannable, for whatever reason, CCP wanted a ship to still exist that wasn't scannable. So they went with the BR as their choice for that.

I can't think of any time that it's ever helped me since I have a habit of always being cloaked when I'm flying ANY ship with a Covops cloak. I guess CCP just wants that functionality. They could give it to DSTs instead, too, but that would just make them more attractive targets to some people, and they don't have the BR's agility to counter that.

Losing the target while you scan/look at the scan results. = false. If they're on AP (only way to get em) you have several minutes to get scan before they jump out of system. Besides you guys all use neut scanners 1-3 systems ahead.

missing tackle on the target. = false, you alpha your targets no tackle require.

failing to kill the target. = true, this is possible but very unlikely. I can't think of anyone who has failed to kill an AP runner.

open to attack from everyone. = true, only attackable during the attack itself and the 15 mins after. Which mean nothing to the ganker. As serious gankers have insta undocks from their station they're safe until they land on field to shoot their target. Afterwards it's nearly impossable to catch a pod in high sec.

someone stealing the cargo. = true, this is possible. I have only seen stealers in work 5 times in 5 years.

someone attacking your own transport. = good get a taste of your own medicine.

open to attack from the victim. = this only applies if you stay in system to continue ganking. This still fall under the nearly invulnerable method of travel in system mentioned above.

victim may sell your kill right which may be taken up at any time for several months. = Falsification. The Kill rights apply for 6 weeks. not several months. Besides that doesn't stop people from ganking. Its called insta undock bookmark. From there you go onto grid. shoot. dock up. very little time/chance to get you. Only at the gate which anyone can do anytime you're trying to gank. But is the same as the answer directly above and the one further up. this doe not affect the ganker.

50% chance on every item to not drop. = hmm. Well that means 50% change to gain the items. wash, no need to put this up.

target is packing ecm = ECM is highly unlikely to work on a none ECM specific ship. Additionally if the pilot is on AP they won't be there to ECM. Lastly since most ganks go down in 1 shot ECM is invalid because the target only has about .5 seconds to realize they're targeted, target back and apply ecm. By then they're already in a pod.

target has an escort.= possible. Can't say i've ever seen this happen, but it's still a moot point. The escort again cannot do anything to prevent the ship from being 1 shotted. They can only retaliate once the BR is popped.

On top of that we also get;

Sec status loss. = meant nothing before. Means even less now that you can use tags to get sec standing back up. As most gankes are spec'd just for that they're not the main toon on an account.

15min downtime where concord will blow up any ship you enter. = does not apply. I've since gankers go right back out onto the field to perform another gank immediately. The bookmarks make it possible.


Our ship blown up. = natually, hence suicide gank. This is natrually implied in the act itself so why put this up? obviously since losing the ship to concord (who don't pod) is a part of doing business this is already accounted for in your finacing the operation.

Past a point, are open to attack from anyone all the time. Most gankers are always at -10.


Ganking has enough risk. Now, tell me why you think you need this safety net for blockade runners to protect you from your mistakes when ganking ( the only risk you face in highsec) has zero room for mistakes and bad piloting?

Personally...I don't really care.

The reason BRs got scan immunity in the first place is because the Orca used to have it with the Corp Hangar, and when that became scannable, for whatever reason, CCP wanted a ship to still exist that wasn't scannable. So they went with the BR as their choice for that.

I can't think of any time that it's ever helped me since I have a habit of always being cloaked when I'm flying ANY ship with a Covops cloak. I guess CCP just wants that functionality. They could give it to DSTs instead, too, but that would just make them more attractive targets to some people, and they don't have the BR's agility to counter that.

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Why I'm arguing against it here is because...well, I dislike gankers. And all I see are arguments that make their lives easier and reduce their risk.

Piracy SHOULD be a risky venture. And it seems that the proponents of that lifestyle here seem to believe that their activity should carry the same low risk that mining does. That just doesn't make any sense to me.

But, regardless, CCP didn't bring up the change, right? That just popped up in this thread and has gone on as a discussion for a few pages because it has a couple vocal proponents but really doesn't add to the game and would only serve to make them more profit at less risk - which is probably why they're so adamant it's a good idea.

...whereas, on the other side, are people that are against or neutral to the change for reasons from RP to ship uniqueness to (my own) the belief that ganking shouldn't be made even less risky.