Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I haven't been on SiSi so you can argue with zarnak Sgt Ocker and alticus as to whether what they say is true or not. Most of my pvp t1 frigate fits do not do over 200 dps. If I recall, they do more in the range of 110-170. So it is going to be much less efficent to plex in a pvp fit. (I'm pretty much max skilled with frigate sized stuff) Whether 200 dps is really needed to do the small plexes efficiently I don't know.

Are they spawning after people leave? Also are they spawning when people are defensive plexing? If so and you catch someone right before the defensive plex closes how much extra dps will the full set of spawns do to you? Plexes where all the spawns happened were a real problem in the old system.

MaraudR73

CCP has in the past indicated that they want the occupancy war to be pvp centered not pve centered and I have no reason to think they have changed their plans. There is more to faction war than occupancy so yes missions can remain a pve activity. But the focus has been, and seems to be, to encourage pvp in plexes. E.g., the rats do less damage so as not to interfere with pvp. No such change is made for missions which are a pve activity in faction war.

I think you are using this sort of bad logic:
Most farmers fly t1 frigates with cloaks and stabs
Therefore
Preventing t1 frigates with stabs and cloaks will solve the problem.

The thing is before the changes to the npc spawns amarr had to fly bcs or larger for the large plexes. But this did not mean they would pvp. They actually had to make significant trade offs for their pvp fits to do the plexes. That meant they were less likely to pvp. It was always more efficient to warp off when pvpers came. Pvpers learned they would just warp off so stopped bothering.

The bottom line is that making npcs tougher will not make plexing into a more pvp focused game. It may even do the opposite. Giving pvpers mechanics that give them an advantage over people that run will give it a pvp focus. NPCs don't do that.

Correct. Although larges are easier in a decently skilled cruiser than they are in BC and up, simply because of mobility.

I admit that I was dubious about these changes, but after having played around in these plexes on SiSi, I do think it will have a significant impact on day-1 farming alts. It will not deter some farmers who want to fly certain stab fit faction frigates, but those people are more easily dealt with than playing bot-catching games in Asteros. This should also slow the horde of farm-based o-plexing, which is a good stopgap until CCP realizes they need to remove and replace the d-plexing mechanic.

CCP can never stop farming. Farmers are going to farm. All CCP can do is raise the barrier to entry and enhance the risk involved.

No offense taken.

As you sort of make clear I did not say the underlined part, you did. I think you have some sort of functional fixedness on this issue. I have never heard a dev say they intended only larger ships to take larger plexes. If people want to try to hold a plex with a smaller ship when the enemy can bring a larger ship they are free to do that. The goal in occupancy is really pvp not pve.

In general the devs leave it up to the players how they want to go about things. If you want to run level 4 missions in a wolf you can. If the devs only wanted a certain sized ship in a plex and no smaller they could have made that mechanic. Or they could say smaller ships can enter but they won't start the timer unless there are more than one etc. But that does not seem to be the intent and I do not see why anyone would think that was a good idea anyway.

I do agree that they are requiring some sort of dps check with these changes. I think that is because dps mods and stabs both go in the lows but I am really not sure but that would make the most sense.

I don't think this will effect non-home systems too much. I think farmers will pretty easilly develop fits that will allow them to take 2 or 3 types of plexes. They can keep stabs with a mobile depot for travel. But perhaps farmers will start defensive plexing more and that could have an effect.

Will isk per lp rise appreciably? I seriously doubt it.

I think both you and I agree the effect of these changes will be slight at best. Still 95% of the warzone will be decided by mostly non pvp pilots. Maybe more farmers for defense now but farmers nonetheless.

Man up or run?

Where do you offensive plex? Because I want to see if you "man up" against a 5 man gang
If the attacker has the timer almost closed, you should have been there faster to defend it.
Defending should be just as hard as attacking.
Not easy mode rollbacks where all you have to do is chase people out of plex and timer resets.

Yes but they dont do that. All i can see is a reaction to the lets-cloak-up-if-anythings-on-grid bots. i wonder what the next incarnation of them will be like.

I can be found offensive plexing in minmatar home systems or defending my home system.

solo astero, btw

Please stop posting abject nonsense.

You haven't bothered to check out the coming changes on SISI or read the numerous posts in this thread about them.

I think your "ganking" of farmers is safe enough, just learn to "pvp" without the "cloak gank" advantage and you'll be padding your killboard with rookie FW members again before you know it.
Alternately, spend some isk on a faction scram and get a Keres or Lachesis

**Funny how the use of one word can make a bad impression.

You realize that if you take the time to actually pilot your ship, you can stay outside the decloak range and get close enough to grab the guy... of course if he sits well inside the decloak range to prevent this you could grab him without the cloak anyway.