Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Unless you are one of those many players who enjoy S&I which has been practically ignored for many years...and the PvP element comes from the auctions/getting the best teams. PvP doesn't just mean shooting people or getting others into ship to ship[ combat


Problem here would be that those using teams simply don't care about them or their families. Take them hostage? Fine we'll hire another team...

Sure - just replace team. Except I got the impression that teams will cost BIG ISK.

So "don't care - just replace" will worse than ganked Orca. Sure Orca can be replaced but most corps will go out of their way to save it if they can.


Yes I agree there will be a limit to paid resistance by original team purchasers. But there will be a whole ecosystem of secondary parasite industrial users - and mercs etc who live off the battle for hostages itself (player drops yum).

Nope - not saying that this idea is intended to make any system with a team a constant Burn Jita level conflict. Probably more like FW sites. Alternatively the activity might be somewhat like a good standing gate camp on an active low sec route. Except the industry user side defenders will be the campers and the aggressors will be trying to clear them and get through periodically.

That's true, would depend on limitations but I suspect this would further cripple hisec competitiveness in S&I. It would be relatively straightforward for the null alliances to arrange for the teams in hisec to be disposed of, but what chance would the hisec folks have of returning the favour?. It would be too unbalancing I think.

LOL - CCP favors exactly that officially -- getting R&I players to leave hi sec. CCP sees hi sec proper roles as limited to initial training past career agents and as central trade area between player star nations. CCP has said several times that they have never wanted players to spend years in hi sec. The CCP goal is that by the six month mark 90% of players have moved to null sec or at least majority of time spent in low sec.

In this release alone they kill recycling to stop null materials from moving to hi sec as certain recyclable t1 hulls for remanufacture in hi sec industry. CCP wants everything big in null. Plus note all the hi sec nerfs to industry and null sec structure industry buffs. CCP outright says the intent is to drive hi sec industry into null...unless you are so chicken you are willing to take the hits.


Apparently CCP has never been able to achieve their full original visions for EVE because too many players and too much industry stayed in hi sec. According to CCP null sec sovereign areas are supposed to evolve into self-reliant player nation-factions (player version of Empire factions). But instead CCP sees specialized exporters which are highly dependent on hi sec goods. CCP has plans to make null space 3-4 times as big if only enough players move out there and those independent star nations start appearing. Better CPU balancing as well as more variety of player social organizations.

The problem is that in pushing people to move to null they are ignoring the simple fact that all those people living in hisec don't *want* to move to null. Forcing them to do so will cause many to simply quit once they can no longer viably live in hisec. It is in my opinion a big mistake to ignore the player behaviour so obviously being expressed. It would be far better to create game balance across the sec regions rather than push everyone to move to null.

Another issue is that the player gamestyles that ar viable in hisec simply don't work under the null alliances and there is no room for the independant single players. At this point many will say it is an MMO and you should join n alliance etc etc. To my mind MMO doesn't mean that though, it means you are online with many thousands of other real players rather than simply an NPC populated universe. If players don't want to be a part of an alliance that is there choice and should be a perfectly acceptable choice. A single player should be able to make a very good living based on very good skills. Those players in alliances should be able to make more with the same skills due to corp support etc but solo play shouldn't be discounted since this is again ignoring the clear wish of a significant part of the player base.

Having a vision for an MMO is one thing, but ignoring how players actually engage with the game world is a bad choice. CCP should adapt the how the players are really behaving within the Eve universe rather than try to manipulate them into an old vision of how the universe should be.

Slightly off topic I think :D

Back on the original post the auctions and benefits of teams are the PvP element here, to interfere with that would simply make it pointless engaging in the auctions. Spend gazillions hiring a team, griefers kidnap team. There would be absolutely no point except for nullsec entities which would defeat the point of the teams.