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[Kronos] Blockade Runner Rebalance

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#301 - 2014-05-20 23:08:21 UTC
Belinda HwaFang wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:


My one concern with having the bonus prevent scanning by NPC customs officers is that you've now removed any issues with transporting illegal goods through high-sec. Hold full of drugs? Throw it in a Blockade Runner and auto-pilot straight to Jita 4-4.



And get suicide ganked. No BR pilot worth their salt is going to autopilot through pipes to Jita.


Except that the risk-averse gankers such as Baltec1 will instead be sleeping fitfully with nightmares of the juicy shiny things that might have been in those blockade runners that they were too scared to shoot because :efficiency:.

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Meandering Milieu
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#302 - 2014-05-20 23:10:59 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Or you could just get rid of the contraband system entirely. Nothing of value will be lost.


The contraband system, when implemented as a suspect flag after customs detect contraband, will add meaningful gameplay. In the same way that pirates rejoiced when stealing from jet cans flagged them as legal targets, so too pirates will rejoice when running through hi sec with contraband flags them as legal targets, rather than costing them their cargo, ISK and standings :)


This is fine too. I would rather this than the tedious standings/faction police issue.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#303 - 2014-05-20 23:18:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey guys, we've made some tweaks to the mobility on the Prowler, improving base speed and agility and adding a little bit more mass. This gives the Prowler a noticeable speed increase vs the other BRs and improves its align time slightly.


Would you consider a cargo nerf on the Prowler so that it can't carry cruisers? There should be a bit more variety between the blockade runners other than a few hundred cubic metres of cargo and slightly different align times. Perhaps the Bustard could be rigged and fitted to be able to carry a cruiser hull and a GSC, while the Prowler is better suited to carrying two GSCs with frigates & fittings very quickly (i.e.: smaller cargo capacity, higher base warp speed), the Viator could get a burn-back-to-gate bonus in the form of MWD overheat damage reduction, and the Prorator might be able to burn back to gate with a bonus to armour repper overheat damage reduction? These are probably silly ideas that only provide bonuses in very rare scenarios, but having all the BRs be basically the same spoils the fun a little.

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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#304 - 2014-05-21 02:24:35 UTC
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
Belinda HwaFang wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:


My one concern with having the bonus prevent scanning by NPC customs officers is that you've now removed any issues with transporting illegal goods through high-sec. Hold full of drugs? Throw it in a Blockade Runner and auto-pilot straight to Jita 4-4.



And get suicide ganked. No BR pilot worth their salt is going to autopilot through pipes to Jita.

As for risk vs reward that's for the game design team to look at , think about, and test at this point.

Customs immunity would make transporting drugs completely risk free though. Plus destroy smuggling as a profession.

An option would be to reduce the chance, based on your Transport Ship skill.. 10% less chance at being detected per level or somesuch ?

Also would be nice if CCP would add back the SKILL that let increase your odds of evading detection.. I mean the skill is still in game for the people who had injected it.. Give it back, make smuggling viable.. Hell you could even have missions for pirate factions sending you to smuggle something into highsec..
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#305 - 2014-05-21 04:26:35 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Belinda HwaFang wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:


My one concern with having the bonus prevent scanning by NPC customs officers is that you've now removed any issues with transporting illegal goods through high-sec. Hold full of drugs? Throw it in a Blockade Runner and auto-pilot straight to Jita 4-4.



And get suicide ganked. No BR pilot worth their salt is going to autopilot through pipes to Jita.


Except that the risk-averse gankers such as Baltec1 will instead be sleeping fitfully with nightmares of the juicy shiny things that might have been in those blockade runners that they were too scared to shoot because :efficiency:.


Yea, the person asking for the removal of a safety net for stupidity and laziness on their own blockade runner is the one who is risk adverse..

The only risk adverse players here are the ones who support scan immunity on a ship that can already be impossible to lock.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#306 - 2014-05-21 04:38:44 UTC
You can have perfect safety with a BR in high and lowsec without cargo scan immunity.
The only reason to want it is laziness.


Fozzie, I will be very disappointed if you keep cargo scan immunity in blockade runners.
You can still add customs immunity or a decreased chance of customs detection to them without immunity to player cargo scans.

There is no justifiable reason to keep cargo scan immunity on blockade runners.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
SiKong Ma
Perkone
Caldari State
#307 - 2014-05-21 05:05:51 UTC
Remove NPC customs scanning totally, remove blockade runner scan immunity, allow players to join faction customs/police and once ship scanned with contraband will trigger NPC custom spawns which scrams and web the smuggler waiting for response either to jettison or be flagged suspect.

Opens up a few options:
i) Player custom/police officer as a career path
ii) Removes the need for scan immunity for Blockade Runners (note: they are blockade runners and NOT smuggler hulls)
iii) Frees up NPC from doing the hard work of scanning every (or a certain %) ship that passes through.
iv) Makes this Chronicles a reality : Timeout

Just my 2 cents worth.
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#308 - 2014-05-21 05:14:15 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You can have perfect safety with a BR in high and lowsec without cargo scan immunity.
The only reason to want it is laziness.


Fozzie, I will be very disappointed if you keep cargo scan immunity in blockade runners.
You can still add customs immunity or a decreased chance of customs detection to them without immunity to player cargo scans.

There is no justifiable reason to keep cargo scan immunity on blockade runners.

If they take it from Blockade Runners, I want it back on my Orca.

Then I'll AP between Jita and Amarr, all day, every day, waiting to troll the gankers for a cargo of hookers and drop.


For the record, about it not being a smuggling ship.. this opens up two thing.. One, make a Serpentis industrial line. They ARE the drug faction ? I think it would be awesome to have (a) pirate Industrial that was built around smuggling.. And no, I don't feel that adding a Industrial to one faction means you need to do it to all of em.. Lore wise it would make sense for them to have them.. other factions could get their own special ships that fit better with their lore.. *cough*Gursta's Carrier*cough*

But with that said, two, not all blockades are total, some can only prohibit the moving of specific items/people.. So yes, having it immune to scanning isn't totally out of the realm of logic.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#309 - 2014-05-21 05:19:21 UTC
I don't care about your lore reasons. Lore is not a justification for any game balance decision.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#310 - 2014-05-21 05:24:17 UTC
I believe the Mordu's Legion racial requirements proves otherwise :p
Oxide Ammar
#311 - 2014-05-21 05:41:22 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You can have perfect safety with a BR in high and lowsec without cargo scan immunity.
The only reason to want it is laziness.


Fozzie, I will be very disappointed if you keep cargo scan immunity in blockade runners.
You can still add customs immunity or a decreased chance of customs detection to them without immunity to player cargo scans.

There is no justifiable reason to keep cargo scan immunity on blockade runners.


Don't autopilot BR then, pick something else to autopilot.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#312 - 2014-05-21 06:56:28 UTC
Oxide Ammar wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You can have perfect safety with a BR in high and lowsec without cargo scan immunity.
The only reason to want it is laziness.


Fozzie, I will be very disappointed if you keep cargo scan immunity in blockade runners.
You can still add customs immunity or a decreased chance of customs detection to them without immunity to player cargo scans.

There is no justifiable reason to keep cargo scan immunity on blockade runners.


Don't autopilot BR then, pick something else to autopilot.

You're completely missing the point.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Jezza McWaffle
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#313 - 2014-05-21 06:58:05 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Jezza McWaffle wrote:
Any news on changing the immunity to include or be for hiding goods from NPC's?


It's something we're going to investigate, but not for the Kronos release.


At least its nice to know you investigate about some things Blink

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Oxide Ammar
#314 - 2014-05-21 07:24:28 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Oxide Ammar wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You can have perfect safety with a BR in high and lowsec without cargo scan immunity.
The only reason to want it is laziness.


Fozzie, I will be very disappointed if you keep cargo scan immunity in blockade runners.
You can still add customs immunity or a decreased chance of customs detection to them without immunity to player cargo scans.

There is no justifiable reason to keep cargo scan immunity on blockade runners.


Don't autopilot BR then, pick something else to autopilot.

You're completely missing the point.


Ah I see you want the Intel to make someone's life miserable for the rest of his game life time, I see your point.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#315 - 2014-05-21 07:39:29 UTC
Oxide Ammar wrote:
Ah I see you want the Intel to make someone's life miserable for the rest of his game life time, I see your point.

No, I want the chance at possibly getting that intel if you're ******** enough to let me have it.
Considering how extremely easy it would still be for you to prevent that from happening I don't see what the problem is.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Oxide Ammar
#316 - 2014-05-21 08:33:13 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Oxide Ammar wrote:
Ah I see you want the Intel to make someone's life miserable for the rest of his game life time, I see your point.

No, I want the chance at possibly getting that intel if you're ******** enough to let me have it.
Considering how extremely easy it would still be for you to prevent that from happening I don't see what the problem is.


Nobody is autopiloting nyx BPO in their BR, you want the intel to know if this BR worth ganking or not. you are risking your couple catalysts (2 mill total), KR and negative standing (which I'm sure gankers don't care about) in potential reward of loot pinata from me if I'm ******* (how many asterisk in your post ?).

you gank 5 bill BS and cross your finger that loot fairy will be kind to you,
you gank freighter and hope the juicy stuff drop for you,
you gank BR and hope it was carrying something worth it.

I see risk vs. reward apply in all these cases as intended.

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JanSVK
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#317 - 2014-05-21 08:54:41 UTC
Very nice changes.

Thank you. :)
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#318 - 2014-05-21 09:10:21 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Oxide Ammar wrote:
Ah I see you want the Intel to make someone's life miserable for the rest of his game life time, I see your point.

No, I want the chance at possibly getting that intel if you're ******** enough to let me have it.
Considering how extremely easy it would still be for you to prevent that from happening I don't see what the problem is.


It is relatively easy to see what was inside the blocade runner on ap even with the scan immunity. Takes just some catalysts and reading the CONCORD mail. In my opinion it's sort of unique quirk for blockade runners. Inreases risks on both sides btw as well - if one AP's it someone might pop it in case there was something good in it and if you gank iy you are drawing your lottery ticket and hoping for the best.

Ofc I personally would not AP one with any remotely valuable cargo in it. Especially to Jita - as these things are a bit too easy to gank for that.

Have not looked for a while, but is it still possible to make your cargo unscannable for any ships by double wrapping it? I mean if one wants to AP valuable cargo it might make more sense to pick something less obvious - say, a buffered BS or deep space transport or any of the command ships or .. well .. a jump freighter perhaps with small pile of generic crap in there plus your "valuable" double wrapped package.

For BPO's I myself tend to use some buffer ship on manual anyway. Say, a T3 or a recon cruiser, for example.

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TopTrader
Tech3 Company
#319 - 2014-05-21 10:18:30 UTC
I think the changes are ok. The tank bonus was useless yes, the new warpspeed bonus is a bit to much maybe but not bad. I have rigs for more warpspeed so its not a problem.

More resistances are good. The additional cargospace is really nice, was really a bit to less Cry
But in the end you have to deside what you want, warpspeed or more cargo and its still a fast hauler. If you have not allways the same ammount of stuff to transport, just fit to ships with different rigs/items^^

Overall very good changes. If i could point on the freighter changes Roll not that good ...

Lets see how the tests on sisi show results.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#320 - 2014-05-21 10:20:07 UTC
The fine and other mechanics following a customs scan are boring. It would be better if you were just given a suspect flag. But the opportunity for a new item!

Tinfoil
- Wraps your cargo to block scans by The Man. Renders wrapped cargo non-scannable by customs officials.

T2 Tinfoil (or a 'Dinsdale' meta variant)
- Rare or expensive variant which blocks cargo from player scans.

Come on Fozzie. You know you want to.

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