Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Orca should be allowed to fit a large micro jump drive as it can fit 100mn ab/mwd.

how about we just get rid of the distinction between scams and disruptors and go to a total point system? Have two total points of disruption act as the functional equivalent of a scram (taking into account any subtractions you would have to make for fitted stabs). This would not be an unmanageable situation for small/grps and solos - it would boil down to a "fitting" question of whether you carry two long points or one short one and it could be countered by folk fitting stabs in lowslots.

Here are two rough (paint.net ftw) diagrams of the range envelope of this module. One is a proposed 50km MJD, the other is the announced 100km MJD. Look at these diagrams and remember that CBC engagement range is roughly 0-20km (brawler fit) or 25-50km (sniper fit).

Which one of these would be more useful in combat?

50km:
http://imgur.com/n0eFTaV

100km:
http://imgur.com/irFFd6o

Not to scale, obviously. The diagrams assumes a starting distance to target of 50% the MJD's range.

The 50km is ideal for a brawler. 100km has a couple moves that are useful to a sniper if the target is also a sniper*, but it's 100% useless to and against a brawler, except as an escape device.

*if the target starts out closer then the diagram assumes, then the 100km jump has no options that place the target within weapon range, regardless of fit.

I submit that either 50km or 75km is the ideal choice, since it would allow both types of tactics to be used by modifying the angle of attack and initial range to target.

There's one other use for the MMJD as it stands currently: trying to tackle 100km kitey snipers without necessarily using probes to get a bead on them. That said, I think I could be convinced that 75km with a 9 second base spool time might also be reasonable. In any event, I'm looking forward to trying to get Cyclones on top of Ishtars with this module. Escape is not the only possible use; not dying in a fire trying to tackle snipers is at least a theoretical use.

I dont know if you did any math there but:

http://imgur.com/Q5XLbYv (and yes those measurements for the radii are to scale)

I don't know where you got an acute angle where 15km is an option. Unless you plan to jump into their flight path, the closest option availible is always directly behind them, so long as they are beyond 50% range. Closer than 50% and then you have to get some weird angle on either side of them.

My opinion on the 50km size is that it cannot be used by anyone who isn't attempting to get closer to a specific range sniper in there brawler fit. Its almost useless to try and attack long range ABCs who are out beyond 75km (mjd + disruptor range). It also removes the battlecruisers ability to get out of a BS clusterf*ck where the ranges can reach out to 50+ on a fewr weapons with the right ammo and some tracking computers (not too uncommon). And with smaller faster ships, especially interceptors, 50km may not be far enough to use as an escape method. This modules intended purpose seems to be to allow close range ships to attempt to get closer to long range snipers, and for those same ships (and their sniper counterparts) to get out of the grasp of brawlers who have gotten in too close. 100km alows you to get in range of very distant foes and to also get out of range of enemies that are too close.

This also aloys you to take on the ABCs that don't have MJD and are very long range, increasing the chance of catching them.

But that's just my take on it.

And no matter what range you choose there will always be holes that you cannot reach properly.

I feel like maybe some of the people in the thread aren't ACTUALLY familiar with how MJD work. I wish to help.

"It is just a git out of jail free card." "People will just be uncatchable." "I don't want to have to fit my ship for anything but gate camping, so this ruins the entire balance of the game!"

If you fall into these groups I think I might be able to ease some of your worries. First is that it take 12 seconds for them to take off. If you can't catch them in 12 seconds when there is no way you could catch them before the leave a bubble now. Lets look at the math. Lets say you have a tackle in your gang who travels at 3k/s. They would have to be more than 45km away to escape the scram. Lets look at it another way. On the UniWiki they have the Drake's align time at 12.2sec, so if you have a scram fit there is no noticeable difference. Sure the long point isn't guaranteeing you that care-bear kill anymore, but hey we need to get better anyway.

Just noticed your post, I agree all should be able to fit MJD's, same as MWD's.

Also nice look.

Never do that..

Arty nado's sitting 100km away from you are annoyingly uncatchable as it is.. they don't need more.

First of all, I am of the opinion that all warp cancelling mods, disruptors, scramblers and bubbles should also cancel all types of MJDs, always. IMO teleportation gameplay is bad gameplay(especially on grid teleportation) and there is enough of that in eve already.

But, if we have to have it, this suggestion above is actually a good suggestion. Interdiction bubbles should cancel all warp and jump mechanics as originally intended.

Congratulations you hit MJD early enough so that you can avoid the last 2-3 bombs...
and die anyway because you increased your signature radius hitting MJD.