Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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To stop a MJD ship, you have to get in range and get a scram on it before the spool up time. Frigates are the ships to do this with; they have the speed to get in range in time. Frigates are almost instapoped by gate guns, and as the first ship on the target, are also guarunteed to be shot at by gate guns. So tackle frig goes ZOOM > Scram > Dead > Target escapes.

IOW, the intended counter to this module is nonfunctional in lowsec.

This is about tackling on a gate, not the module's use in a fight, so your post completely misses the point.

BALLS DEEP MOFOS

Your solution to this is that solo pilots bring more logis and eafs? I think you may have failed to understand the nature of the problem.

QFT

Also, I just had an idea.

Rather than a MJD jumping you Xkm straight forward..........it drops you on your current target as long as it's within it's range.

Viola. Kitey McKiterson can't complain that he can't keep targets pinned down with his long point and the brawlers get a nice new toy.

It's a win-win.

No.
Chase it with an interceptor, It warps straight away follow it! You will come out of warp before he does.
You do not have to sit there scratching your head at the gate feeling hard done by.
Work a little for the kills.

So many bad posts in this page. So many people with no PvP experience mouthing off to players that are vastly more knowledgeable and experienced. Since you cannot post killboards, can we instead simply post kills of the more belligerent and misguided?

Challenged: 104 Kills / 58 Deaths

Arthur Aihaken: 65 Kills / 171 Deaths

epicurus ataraxia: 12 Kills / 17 Deaths


Does experience, and in game knowledge have any weight placed on the comments here? Because from what I am seeing- most if not all of the PRO MMJD are people have rather poor PvP skill / knowledge / experience. While the OVERWHELMING majority of people against MMJD have quite a bit more skill / knowledge / experience.

Can anyone help clarify this for me?

As we all know, EVE is a single character-per-account and single account-per-player world. This means that anything posted by a character with no discernable pvp history is, in fact, stupid.

Also, this is a form of ad hominem. The facts of the discussion are what matters, the source is irrelevent. Everyone could be anonymous and the content would not change.

Back on topic.

I want to reinforce the feedback about it's range. Normal BC combat range (not counting ABCs) is 50km and under. This module does nothing to encourage BC combat. It is an escape device, and cannot be anything else due to the limitations of the platform on which it is mounted. At the range this module operates at, on-grid tactical bookmarks* already serve the same in-combat purpose. Which once again leaves it primarily as an escape tool.

*a distant BM (300km) and several nearer BMs can be used for tactical dominance of a gate, if the defenders have time to set them up. Total round trip, 2 warps, will be 10-15 seconds for a nano fit or 15-20 seconds for an armor fit. This is only slighlty slower then the MMJD, but allows much more control over range and none of the disadvantages. The only way that the MMJD is superior is in trying to escape (theres that word again) bubbles, or in territory that your side has not had time to make tacs for.

Maybe (I'm being charitable and trying to find a combat role where this module makes sense) this is meant to give BCs mobility on a large fleet field, against larger ships that are more spread out. If so, it's poorly implemented and unfocused. It's not worth unbalancing the rest of gameplay for this single niche purpose.

The MMJD as implemented will not fulfill the intended purpose of encouraging CBC's on the battlefield. It will make avoiding PVP easier; it will not significantly change the composition of gangs (jump range / weapon range mismatch prevents sniper tactics); it does not have any counters that are easily used in a small gang (in lowsec, due gate guns killing tacklers in seconds).

If CCP intends this as a PVP avoidance tool, then say so. Because that's the only area where it offers significant advantages.

Suggestions to correct these flaws:

-Reduce it's jump distance to 75km.
-Give it a Warp Core Strength of +2. (not affected by stabs). This will allow it to be tackled by multiple long points, or a faction long point, or a scripted HIC (credit to badboymark)
-Adjust Lowsec Gate Guns to allow 10-15 seconds on target for an Interceptor that agresses, allowing the Interceptor to serve as a counter to this module. (A 10-sec universal delay, or system sec based delay would not be a bad thing in general, come to think of it).

With these changes, it becomes a counter to Warp Bubbles more then an escape device. This preserves its combat niche, and makes its escape function more difficult but still useful.

*Edited to update suggestions.

I'd be fine with that, but I didn't suggest it since it seems to be intended sepcifically. Will adjust my post.

That would be a simple warp strength thing. Which is a good idea as well (2+ long points deactivates it). +1