Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hi there,


Since the years I played EVE Online I always had problems to find a suitable ship for the way I want to play the game. The reason is that in my eyes the ships are to specialized on one purpose and usage and lack on adaptability in combat.

If we look at modern naval ships we can see that every ship has multiple weapons and electronic system as well as weaponry and electronic defense systems and counter measures. But they are still divided into classes and sizes and suitable for different tasks and there is no ship with can everything. So it is possible.

What I would like to see in EVE Online is that the Devs orientate more on how modern naval ships are built to expand the module system in a way the player have more possibilities to fit the ships to adapt to different combat situations IN combat and not by refitting.

The ship classes in this way should determine the focus of the weapons and systems. But the player should have the possibilities to fit in wider limits more things they want to develop own tactics or playing styles.

I will give an example to explain what I mean:

Caldari Battleship Raven-class (I see the names as class names)

Weapons
Primary: 6 Cruise-Missile Launcher
Secondary: 4 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher

Systems
Caldari Navy Fusion Reaktor Core Mk. II
Caldari Navy Shield Emitter
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Main Computer Core
Caldari Navy Standard Battleship Engines
Caldari Navy Warp Core Mk. II
Caldari Navy Improved Sensor Array
Caldari Navy Improved Energy Grid

Hull
Caldari Navy Standard Inner Strutting
Caldari Navy Standard Armor

Counter Measures
Caldari Navy Emergency Sensor Stabilizer
Caldari Navy Senor Deflection Field Generator
Caldari Navy Emergency Shield Emitter

The idea behind this is to replace the limited slot system by a schematic of the ship where you can change the systems of the ship. All things I mentioned in the list above are changeable.

If you buy a ship it is equipped with standard systems. Energy Core, Energy Grid, Main Computer Core, Sensor Array and so on. They provide you with specific resources which gives you the possibility than to equip weapon system and what I call ‘Tactical Systems’. With higher skills you can replace this standard systems by better ones and gain more resources and performance.

You do not have to upgrade your existing systems with modules like it is now. This gives you the possibility to focus on tactics. For that you can equip tactical systems which give your ship abilities. Like an ‘Emergency Shield Emitter’ which boosts your shield when it comes too weak and such things.

The other system type I call ‘Counter Measures’. These are a variety of general systems against electronic warfare.

What you can equip and how many different things depend on your ship size and ship resources.
As example. The computer core controls your weapons, the sensors, the energy flow, the effectiveness of the counter measures and so on. The better the computer is the more bonuses you gain on these things. Same with the power core. The better the more power it provides for the capacitor and the energy grid. Again, you need not to upgrade these things with modules. You simply equip better ones or get bonuses through skills for this systems. The ‘Energy Grid’ provides your systems with energy. If you as example equip a better one you get a slight bonus on the damage of energy weapons as example and the shield recharge time and shield HP. Everything what needs energy gets a bonus. Same with the ‘Shield Emitters’. The better they are the higher our shield HP and recharge rate. Additionally, the emitters allow you to change the shield resistance in combat. You need not to equip several resistance modules like it is now. This system can change the shield harmonics and frequency for a better resistance for one or two resistance types. Your skills determine the extent.

Some systems are restricted to specific ship classes. As example. Electronic Attack Ships have a specific power core and computer only they can equip because there ships are made for this. This provides the necessary system resources for specific electronic warfare systems only they can fit. There are general systems every ship can equip to defend against such systems. But only a Electronic Attack Ships can equip electronic attack systems and powerful sensor distortion system and so on while they are immune against such things. So you limit the possibilities in the way that nobody makes an Electronic Attack Ship out of a pure combat ship. So you keep the roles by giving more possibilities with the ships itself.

But the main change is that the ships now have two weapon types (‘primary’ and ‘secondary’), tactical systems and counter measures like real naval ships. And depending on the class the possibilities of that vary. The two weapons types allow you to adapt to more combat situations instead of only one weapons type.

Today, you can do what I propose in a certain level. But always you lose effectiveness in another purpose. You have four medium slots and must balance shield, propulsion, tackling and so one or you focus on one and are weak on all other things. I am orientated on real naval ships which have a number of weapon types to be adaptable to different situations and tasks but with a specific focus.

I also would suggest making the weapon models smaller so the ships can equip more or at least look more realistic. Some ships look very ridiculous with their large weapons. They have a thin hull but fire out of giant turrets massive volleys of projectiles where I ask myself, where they come from.

My perspective is that from a solo player. But I think this would also enrich fleet combats and give more possibilities to use the ships and develop tactics.


This would be my idea. Thank you.

Regards.

There are things I like about this idea, but the way you imagine it would be a complete reworking of nearly every core mechanic in the game.

most ppl find the rock. paper, scissors design of eve agreeable.

consider the solo player, who takes his ship with no particular strengths, no particular weaknesses and encounters two hostile players using the exact same ship as him. He has no weaknesses to exploit in his enemies and he cannot play to his strengths because he doesnt have any.

Its true his skill will help him in this situation, but this isnt a game where players are responsible for turret accuracy and head shots or anything like u get in some games that suit what ur selling. Eve is more a strategy game, where this unit beats that unit, and that unit counters this unit, with bits of tactical play thrown in. Solo play is possible, but u are actively encouraged to play with others.

so i cant see it working. Not for EVE.

Real is over rated, let's keep the fantasy part of the game. Only bad things can come from trying to be real.

This again.....a game fixed for solo pvp, makes group pvp stronger.


1 ship can't take a gank by 4 ships. Answer: Fix 1 ship to be stronger. \o/ the solo ship is saved. Unitl.....4 gankers go with uber modular fit like the solo ship. Nows ssdd basically. Now we have what is called power creep. Fixed the power for the one, the many beneift.

And now the 4 gankers being even more uber....expand their gank range of targets. We'll say 4 frigs that up to that point could handle a bc comfortably in empire with concorde response or say on a low sec gate with guns. Now those 4 gankers are maybe creeping up to BS's, even drone ones like Domi.

Solo pvp is a choice in an MMO. This however is a sandbox MMO. Some choose solo, others go me and my boys want to roll out tonight. The latter is not even for an iwin situation potentially. I for example have put alot of effort into ninjya warfare. CO 5, recon 5 and fly blops (still at 4, ccp not giving strong reasons for the 5 atm imo). I know I can't solo in my rapier very well. So I use the rapier for its ewar support, and my boys in say a wolf and vaga pring the pain. I am not looking for iwin. I am looking to spice it up flying a recon once in a while but not dying like a tard in the process.

Also if that down for solo there are options. Learn the practice of stringing out groups. basic setup....burn off, tackle and kill the fast tackler who lands first. Burn off....kill the next fastest fast tackler that lands. Done right you create some wtf scenarios. One time in 0.0 we had a a snaked loki that killed 3/6 of our guys in record time. He strung us out and popped 1 at a time. the remaining 3 were not fast nor tackly....so that loki lived to fly away. then there was this snaked older cyna that killed us one at a time. We knew he was HG snaked. Why? our fastest tackler, in a cyna, could was getting smoked off the line easily by him. With LG snakes....lol.