Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok, I'm now caught up with this thread. Thanks for the feedback so far.

I'll be taking the good points brought up in this thread and discussing them with the CSM and the other designers here at the office.

One thing I wanted to make clear is that Micro Jump Drives were never intended to be a battleship only module. When CCP Soniclover introduced them he intended to see how they went and then add more in the future.

I'm seeing two major arguments revolving around the use of MJDs as a disengagement tool.
The fleet level argument I am honestly not swayed by at this time. Providing inexpensive fleet options that don't automatically get wiped when they find themselves in a bad situation is something we consider very valuable. It creates good options for newer FCs to learn with and in particular MMJDs are a very valuable counterbalance to bombs for battlecruisers at the fleet level.
The argument focused on small gang and solo is more persuasive in this case, although the idea that this module will somehow kill all kiting gameplay is fairly silly. There are definitely situations where Attack Battlecruisers in particular could become a problem with this module, and we will definitely be considering the option of leaving ABCs off the list for the initial release.

In general, having a wide variety of possible outcomes for any fight beyond the extreme "We kill them all with minimal losses" and "We lose everyone with minimal kills" is very healthy for EVE's combat environment at all scales.

Like I said, we'll be taking all this feedback into account. Thanks to all the good posters who can manage to discuss their opinions in a reasonable and coherent manner.

The thing is, these arent limited to cheap disposable fleets either. You can mount them on fleets of CS.

Also, its ok that inexpensive fleets get wiped - that why the junior FC is flying around in vexors instead of ishtars to begin with. They are cheap and disposable.

logistics nerf when? and yeah, just leave them off ABCs (please consider nerfing ABCs) and it'll be fine.

mm... im not enamored by the idea of ABC's being able too jump 100km and snipe things that was just about too catch them up and kill them.. ...it makes countering them a little too hard..
also have you thought about reducing the range a little ... say 75km ... smaller sized mods should be less powerful surely?
i kind of fear for logi's and e-war range ships that like hovering around 60km off the main fight .. just getting jumped on by a heavy tackle brutix that would just rip that ship too shreds in no time...

I'm ok with this.

so basically fit a scrambler on your roaming ship or don't bother.... "choices, choices" ...

welcome to the blasters world!

I kinda expected it to spread from battleships to other classes, but it seems as if you're making Micro Jump Drives the all-in one fix for mobility problems. Or am I wrong?

I don't think placing arbitrary restrictions on ships is the answer. Especially a class of ships that has become less popular since the warp mechanic change.

What we need is new technology or changes to the MMJD to counter many of the problems some people have with the game. For example, you could make disrupters stop MMJD or you could add scrambling interdiction bubbles/scripts, which would also counter the ridiculous proliferation of interceptors.

To be honest, the MMJD isn't really needed. A module that increases the warp speed of a BC would be much better.

I mostly agree with what NinjaStyle said here. The main reason to use CBC's right now is that they're cheaper than battleships. But if money is an issue, then you're better off going with a cruiser comp anyway. If money isn't an issue, there aren't many roles that CBC's fill where another ship type isn't a superior choice.

MMJD's are a step in the right direction, but I'm guessing the fitting compromises that come with the module are going to relegate it to novelty doctrines (probably composed of Feroxes). If you want to control range within the engagement envelope of medium guns, you need a standard prop mod. In most cases, fitting a MMDJ means dual-propping your fat, slow CBC, with all that entails. The lack of mobility and large-ish signature radius already substantially offsets the damage and tank advantages of CBC's against both battleships and cruisers. Fitting a MMJD is just going to force you to either severely gimp your mobility between micro jumps, or give up one of the two things (tank and damage) that differentiate CBC's from cruisers.

In short, CBC's are in kind of a bad place right now. As a mid-point between cruisers and battleships, they don't have much of a role. I doubt the MMJD is going to fix that.

I am actually going to make a serious post for once since everyone seems to be crying about mjds not being counterable by piloting and killing solo/small gang pvp.

How about you put the ship speed at 0 after landing with a micro jump. This would prevent the align + mjd + warp insta gtfo and make mjds counterable by good piloting. Press look at, see mjd eftect then burn towards their align so you can catch them after jumping.