Player Features and Ideas Discussion

you're pretty terrible. I benefit from JFs just like anyone else, even though I don't own one. it's called having friends. I don't know why you're going into butthurt mode.

Uhm ... how long have you not been playing EVE? Or checked a killboard? Or flown a JF, for that matter?

Let's be clear here, the changes suck and we 'told you so' crowd agree they suck. But many many asked for them, over and over. But this in no way justifies RL threats. Just as no game action does.

Shame on you, if you think otherwise.

What's the CSM opinion?

It is improvement, in fact. Improvement to integrity of nullsecs' economical and political environment. It should be another bit of incentive to start building a real infrastracture here, and to apply more effort to its protection. Not just haul down all the stuff from Jita while investing nothing you would be afraid to lose at your current region of dislocation.

This never gets old

I am amazed by the amount of tears/threats that are posted in this thread considering that freighters / jump freighters are peaceful ships :D

You must not use a JF. It makes the transition back to high sec. To do that it jumps to low sec and then has to go thru a high sec gate like everyone else..and there it can get ganked. There is the risk. Because you warp to 0 and jump its near impossible to get you on the low sec side. They do the high sec gank thing.

In jumping out of null/npc stations there is risk though not as much as before. Certain stations have almost no zero range at undock. What they do is wait above the station with a bumping ship and bubblers (null). You undock and they bump you away from zero while the guy puts a bubble up so you can't jump and you are bumped so you can't get back in. Then drop in the killing fleet and you are dead. No it doesn't happen much but it does. Just pointing out there is risk in cyno'ing.

and sometimes jf's go into systems with no stations. with a ship 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of a super is it to much to ask for a high slot to put in a cloaking module.

Eve tries to be real in a sense. but if it was real I would commission one of the major manufacturers for a bigger jf with the ability to modify it. The equivalent in game would be low med and high slots available.

I don't care so much about the freighter nerf as I do the jump freighter. When I get to high sec from null I transfer the load to a normal freighter (since the t3 battle cruisers were added to the game). So my Charon's will be fit for max agility and ehp. as long as they have a cargo capacity of a jf that is fine with me. But its insane that 10,000 years in the future they haven't figured out how to mount even 1 gun on a freighter. No modules no modifications. A big floating coffin. Well I would ask for increased jump range..hell I could think of lots of things.

It would never happen but increase the jump range to the same as a carrier. That offsets the bitter taste of nerfing some. On a long trip can save a cyno. Doesn't' save fuel or fix cargo but a 3 cyno jump is better then a 4 cyno jump.

And if you are going to nerf the core cargo hold they should be cheaper to make.

It kills me that people want the core logistics nerfed to the point they can wipe everything out and no one can function in high. Eve exists because of high sec. If there never was a High sec Eve would have died out long long ago. The brilliance of the developers of eve was having a High Low Null. You kill High you Kill EVE! And that is "I told you so"

You need a Council of Interstellar Industry and Mining. Made up of people in that profession not those that want to kill them.

I just can't believe how many people can't put aside their prejudice (which flourishes on fat lands of being accustomed to conviniences of fully supply all your needs on highsecs market like any other highsec carebear) and see in those changes what are they really are

It is right there. Now it cost more to haul things down from highsecs, and you should think about making them on spot really seriously. By doing so you will get less transport spending and hassles ("profit"), but someone can ruin your infrastructure("risk").

And now it should be clear why it IS part of industry patch too, shoudn't it?

I still say the nerfs had nothing to do with the addition of rigs and the 'told you so' crowd is missing this point intentionally just to harvest more tears. Firs came the nerfs and to sell them as (semi-)boosts rigs were thrown in. Under this point of view the changes suddenly become logical.

Not true. IF they lay in wait..put you on contact and all your alts and are out to get you..the high sec gank will happen. If someone is bound and determined to kill your jf in high there is nothing you can do. Yes dying in null is avoidable. I never undock without eye's on the station. but in high..they logoff at the gate and use alts to spot you.