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[Kronos] Medium Micro Jump Drives

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Sullen Bear
Arctic Spirit
#201 - 2014-05-18 09:42:27 UTC
CCP please stop to destroy game mechanics. New modules must not be introduced just because they are "looks fun". IMHO we don't need MMJD. Instead of this I think it will be good decision to remove some stupid mobile structures like Mobile Micro Jump Units and Mobile Scan Inhibitors. This magic devices are destroy the game mechanic too.
Kaeda Maxwell
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#202 - 2014-05-18 09:43:30 UTC
Samuel Nathas wrote:
IMHO that is why Mordus ships are being introduced, with their bonuses to scram and warp disruptor range. Also, you have Arazu, Lachesis, and Proteus. Remember them?
All the ships mentioned above are ships that have bonuses on scram range.

So why don't you use them?

Also, another point...
All the ships mentioned have faster warp speed than BC's - do you all see that as a weakness or strength? They can intercept the BC's.
And one last point - fleets can warp together using the speed of the slowest ship, or they could free burn or free jump or whatever they need to do (especially tacklers) to go and catch the target and intercept it.
Fleet diversity - tackle wise.



Because Arazu's, Lachesis & Proteus are all non-viable for kiting comps, the first two literally align slower then several battleships do (even when you fit nano's) the latter is slightly less terrible in that department but all three ships in addition to not being very nimble have horrible speed. And thus are not viable in a kiting comp as they can't keep up with the rest of the fleet.

The new Mordus ship are different, but you'd have to fit a domination scram to get workable range and even then you'll be forcing them into a range envelope kiting ships don't really want to be in.

The Keres would probably be the best choice actually in such a scenario, but killing those when you have several ABC's on field is trivial if you know what you are doing.
Davader
Space Cleaners
The Gorgon Empire
#203 - 2014-05-18 09:45:29 UTC
This idea is not the worst one, but it's very close to be it.

It would be only workable if MJD begins to be affected by mobile bubbles, interdictors and heavy interdictors. Having just an immunity to warp disruptors would be just fine.

What's next? Small MJD?? You're mad.
dijy ru
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#204 - 2014-05-18 09:45:42 UTC
The regime of total escape from the battle can make this game more attractive pvp?
MJD invented coward
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#205 - 2014-05-18 09:47:50 UTC
now I'll just fit a tank to my lache-

Quote:
3 lowslots


not that I like recon bonuses anyway, tackle range is grossly overpowered when it's on usable ships.
lastriko1
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#206 - 2014-05-18 09:50:03 UTC
nooooo!!!
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Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#207 - 2014-05-18 09:59:12 UTC
This is a very, very, VERY bad idea. Just give DSTs the ability to use Large MJD and that's it.
Firebolt145
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#208 - 2014-05-18 10:07:32 UTC
Taking bets on whether this module makes it live despite the feedback in this thread.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#209 - 2014-05-18 10:09:16 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Firebolt145 wrote:
Taking bets on whether this module makes it live despite the feedback in this thread.

I'd bet a billion isk that it would but nobody would be stupid enough to bet against.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#210 - 2014-05-18 10:21:50 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Did on grid probing get nerfed when I wasn't looking?

And an inty pilot paying attention in the spool up time can be over half way to their landing point.




AGAIn. WAKE UP. Its not that they will be uncatchable! THe problem is that They will make even harder to hunt solo and now there will be NO REASON TO USE A BATTLESHIP!! How hard is to understand that?

Sicne when you hunt solo with a scram a disruptor a web AND a combat probe laucnher? Heh?


Ihate when people that never even tried to hunt a ship speak such nonsenses.


Its hardly a deal breaker for BS. There are far bigger issues there.

And solo? Really? When has it ever been a good excuse in EVE to say "I can't solo xxx?"

Honestly, the amount of tears that someone might not be obligated to roll over and pop for people is ludicrous. The real irony being the solution here is either/both of: Bring friends/adapt. You know, the ones rolled out every time someone gets ganked.

For the life of me I cannot grasp the sense of entitlement that people have as if it's their right to kill people with impunity and the notion they might escape is nothing short of heresy.
gascanu
Bearing Srl.
#211 - 2014-05-18 10:36:09 UTC
WTH? how came up with this stupid idea? never stop surprising me how little you guys know about your own game, but i must say you are doing this more and more lately. this basically make distruptors uselles and scrambler will become mandatory on any fleet fitings; and if, on bs case you could burn after them with a fast inty, that's not the case with a bc... really wtf.....

What will be the role of dictors after that? bubling cruiser and frigate fleets? really?
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#212 - 2014-05-18 10:40:28 UTC
People complaining about this change are doing so simply because they don't like change. This will throw the current meta up into the air and when it lands the game will be a lot more fun and interesting as a result. Looking forward to seeing what is possible
Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#213 - 2014-05-18 10:43:48 UTC
Aiphona
Alien Mindbenders
#214 - 2014-05-18 10:45:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Aiphona
gascanu wrote:
WTH? how came up with this stupid idea? never stop surprising me how little you guys know about your own game, but i must say you are doing this more and more lately. this basically make distruptors uselles and scrambler will become mandatory on any fleet fitings; and if, on bs case you could burn after them with a fast inty, that's not the case with a bc... really wtf.....

What will be the role of dictors after that? bubling cruiser and frigate fleets? really?


I agree,

MJD's are really ruining the game for lots of people.
Especially solo kiting hunters. You are making warp disruptors USELESS!!!
All you are gonna see is Sniping ABC's that are gonna sit at range with almost no risk of being tackled.
The best way to catch these was with a overheated long point on a fast frigate or inty.

Also this will make Interdictors in 0.0 more useless then they already are.


DONT DO THIS TERRIBLE IDEA CCP!!!
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#215 - 2014-05-18 10:53:05 UTC
Aiphona wrote:
Also this will make Interdictors in 0.0 more useless then they already are.

Lazy gate campers now have to work for their kills rather than simply setting up an interdictor. Fozzie, these carebear pvp'r tears are wonderful, excellent job on these changes. :)
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#216 - 2014-05-18 10:55:48 UTC
Aurora Fatalis wrote:
100km seems a little too strong for a battlecruiser, considering their superior agility over battleships and the limited engagement range for combat BCs.

With a 50 km range, for example, a Prophecy doesn't jump out of its drone control range, making it more a combat mobility tool than an escape mechanism. You could close in on a kiting Ishtar, for example... :D

Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if the range was reduced. The one problem is this overlaps with BS's somewhat. 50km isn't enough though, 75km would be probably about right.
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#217 - 2014-05-18 10:59:44 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
MMJD should be affected by long points and bubbles.

Reasons for this are already posted.

WORD

Make it so longpoints and bubbles disrupt MMJD (except on deep space transports, they need some kind of edge since they are so useless).

Please stop with these stupid knee jerk suggestions. You would break much more stuff than the imaginary problem you are trying to fix by doing something as stupid as this.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#218 - 2014-05-18 11:04:30 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Did on grid probing get nerfed when I wasn't looking?

And an inty pilot paying attention in the spool up time can be over half way to their landing point.




AGAIn. WAKE UP. Its not that they will be uncatchable! THe problem is that They will make even harder to hunt solo and now there will be NO REASON TO USE A BATTLESHIP!! How hard is to understand that?

Sicne when you hunt solo with a scram a disruptor a web AND a combat probe laucnher? Heh?


Ihate when people that never even tried to hunt a ship speak such nonsenses.


Its hardly a deal breaker for BS. There are far bigger issues there.

And solo? Really? When has it ever been a good excuse in EVE to say "I can't solo xxx?"

Honestly, the amount of tears that someone might not be obligated to roll over and pop for people is ludicrous. The real irony being the solution here is either/both of: Bring friends/adapt. You know, the ones rolled out every time someone gets ganked.

For the life of me I cannot grasp the sense of entitlement that people have as if it's their right to kill people with impunity and the notion they might escape is nothing short of heresy.



You are amazing.. you attacked your own argument without even noticing. Jsut try to re read yourself until you notice the level of dumbness on what you posted.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#219 - 2014-05-18 11:06:36 UTC
Aiphona wrote:
gascanu wrote:
WTH? how came up with this stupid idea? never stop surprising me how little you guys know about your own game, but i must say you are doing this more and more lately. this basically make distruptors uselles and scrambler will become mandatory on any fleet fitings; and if, on bs case you could burn after them with a fast inty, that's not the case with a bc... really wtf.....

What will be the role of dictors after that? bubling cruiser and frigate fleets? really?


I agree,

MJD's are really ruining the game for lots of people.
Especially solo kiting hunters. You are making warp disruptors USELESS!!!
All you are gonna see is Sniping ABC's that are gonna sit at range with almost no risk of being tackled.
The best way to catch these was with a overheated long point on a fast frigate or inty.

Also this will make Interdictors in 0.0 more useless then they already are.


DONT DO THIS TERRIBLE IDEA CCP!!!



They were nto a problem on battleships because battleships were EXTREMELY weak targets on this situation before. And they are usually very easy to tank by orbiting even when webbed at 1km (so kitting a battleship is not needed).

What pisses me is , why would I bring a battleships now (except the domi and geddon)

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#220 - 2014-05-18 11:12:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Medalyn Isis
[Proposal]

Skill - Micro Jump Drive Calibration (5% per level to micro jump drive jump range)

MMJD - 60km base range (75km total range)

MJD - 100km base range (125km total range)


I think this is essential to keep BS's competitive, it would give them a strong edge over BCs, and 125km would fall nicely into BS sniping range. You could just do this without the need for a skill to be honest.