Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Notably, it would also be much more difficult, with more wide reaching consequences, than just nerfing warp stabs.

Indeed.

Lo Sec is the land of pirate implants. This idea would cause threadnaughts an riots if it were enacted.

Typical responses, If pirates cant blow something up or gank someone100% of the time than there is something wrong with game mechanics. And in typical ccp response they yield to the wishes of third parties. Bad enough that everyone gets their ships nerfed by what is popular in null.

What you're suggesting only benefits neutral pirates. Fw guys cant cloak in plexes or face extreme penalties for using them. Meanwhile, neuts, who recieve no penalties are free to hide in mediums in rapiers and pilgrims and bait with fw alts. Which btw has happened to me a few times. I rectified that situation by not entering open plexes for the most part until late in the day.

Cloaks arent a problem, stabs arent a problem. I have yet to encounter anyone flying those, except for when we do our fleet raoms. That atron or two whose stabbed. So tf what we find someone else. We don't ***** and moan, except when some one flying a stabbed hac or Stratios. I've also never encountered a bot either.

Also, i'd like to point out that the level of farming, yes farming loyalty points, as it should be called has remained the same. The only reason they seem more prominent is because many of the larger corps and alliances have left FW. They got tired of the back in forth of fw and moved on to something that is more profitable or fun and interests them more. Or just as likely because of infighting between militia corps. Another thing that agitates me is the fact that many people who want to nerf plexing are pretending that it is the sole and most damaging effect on pvp, mostly solo pvp from the remarks that are being made. I think rather that it is the 70% chance that you'll be fighting someone with a fleet just waiting for you to be tackled, or with a fleet booster on station or sitting 1m out of a pos is sort of the main problem. Imo the very people complaining are in fact responsible. !00% gank 0% risk are your main goals.

Finally, It should be made absolutely clear that it wont ave anything other than no effect or a negative affect on fw. If people cant get lp in plexes theyl'll run L4's, that is when they have the standings. Or run dust site, if they still exist. And please, whoever suggested the nerf to sb's being prevented from running mission , just no. No one would run mission then. The only ships capable of doing these are either sb's or something large, slow and expensive ( i dont want to hear the dont fly what you cant afford to lose crap, it does not apply). DO to the fact that missions are at least 12 or more jumps out in low and that you often have to go through enemy space, using anything other than a stealth bomber would be just not be worth it. In fact, missions would not be worth it.

And there goes the militia.......

Ramone Ormand wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
...are not intended to somehow bring an end to "farming" or other evasion tactics. We have no intention of hard blocking warp core stabs or cloaks from complexes.


Why not? Plex's would be great places to find fights if 90% of all frigates inside of them weren't stabbed. It takes a silly amount of time to find PVP in a PVP focused zone. I find it odd that a faction can bring all systems of another faction into vulnerable state whilst multiboxing stabbed frigates. I thought it was factional WARfare not 'sit in space watching youtube with your hand down your pants' fare?

"I'm sorry, but the electronic systems of your warp core stabilizers interfere with the electronics of the acceleration gate and you may not jump through"

there, FW is fixed, none of this 'large plexes' change or NPC changes.


Bull. Simple as that.

Stabs arent a problem,
The majority of the people complaining arent even in fw, just pirates bitching and moaning because they can t gank someone who doesnt want to be ganked.. They complain that farmers ruin pvp. Nope. Cloaked pirates in medium plexes ruin pvp. The fact that you're 9-10x likely to be blobbed when you fight pirates ruins pvp. Infact, it is to be expected that youll be at 2 to 1.. These changes only really benefit the third party: pirates. How about this, restrict plexes to militia only, except larges of course.
Nothing wrong with cloaks either, if you cloak, timer stops. Both of these modules gimp your ship.

Leave farming alone. It benifits the militias. Not everyone wants to fight 23hrs a day. We need a cooldown. This coming from both sides. I dont farm alot, but i do know that its the backbone of militia. If you interfere with the farmer's ability to farm you will have no fights. Period. I dont care what ccp" always finding something not broken to fix" and ccp "nerfzilla" say. Even the guys who complain about farmers understand that this is how people make a living. It's how people can afford to buy ships and modules. It's the only way, other than looting, but most fw, frigs and dessies, arent flying expensive fits. We fight, we fight all the time, but If militia guys cant farm isk a few hours a week there will be no militia. People join the militia for two reasons: Isk and pew pew splosion boom laserautocannon blasterthon's. Oh, and three not to mention have fun.

P.s, chill the %#^& out, picking on those you are more skilled than doesnt make you an elite pvp'er, just another bully. If someone doent want to fight you theyre not going to fight you. Suck it up and move on.
p.s.s im not for 24hrs farming, just the ability to farm on your terms.

Last thing, finding a fight in fw space isnt hard. finding a fair fight is. IYou can go 50 jumps in nul and not get a single fight. Doesnt mean null is broken, just that people are off doing other things.
Also, you do realize that half of militia is in high sec.


You should go to high sec and join the rest of the militia then, and stop whining about neuts accessing your plex gates. People like you make FW players look bad, when there are few legit pvp FW groups out there.

Did you get lost, find a bottle of pills and eat the whole thing thinking they were candy? Seriously, you just lost your posting in this thread rights. What the hell do you mean you've never seen a bot and you rarely see stabbed farmers. Undock from highsec more and actually go into low sec.....


And for missions, yeah go run the gallente lvl 4s. You must do it in something bigger than a cruisers because missiles don't miss. So no, it's not dangerous, it's just more difficult and can't be done in complete safety like a bomber.

Someone call the police! This guy lost his balls while he was playing WoW.

Vincintious, I also find it amusing that you only have blob kills on your kill board. Except for one, or maybe 2. Maybe you don't find stabbed farmers cause you only undock with a fleet. Maybe you should fly solo once in awhile. For one yun and the rest of JUSTK is just in another league than you and the rest of the Cal mil. Oh and by the way what you said about missiles in incorrect, a rockets explosion radius is less than a frigs radius with skills, and the light missile explosion is the same as a Dessie, the faction light missiles are much smaller than a frigate.

Because you don't pay attention.



Unless you routinely awox friendly militia, you're missing half of the population because it's blue/purple to you. (Also, those people who 'warp off' because they see you on d-scan? A lot of them are bots.)

Vincintious, I only found one solo kill on eve kill within the last 3 to 5 months. It's really hard to tell if your losses are from soloing, but one would think that you get at least one kill here and there. Point is that either you are sitting in plexes waiting for people. In which case they probably know what you are flying and can bring a counter to your ship. Other situation is that you are jumping into plexes in which case you don't have an appropriate ship fight whatever is in the plex, or you don't look in local to see if they have corpmates/probable fleet mates in local. Either case you are not smart enough to fly by yourself.

Its not hard to tell, My sol losses are full of me getting killed by bigger stuff. MY rupture getting raped by a fed navy mega, my corax getting caught by a hawk, a remote sebo'd ashimnu insta killing my crucifier etc. etc. My losses altogether are from gatecamps, fleets, and station camps. Ive lost more than a few geniune solo's, but then again, I only login every once and a while. During school Idontplay as much eve as I do in the summer. I always check local and i mostly solo at night which is why I haven been kiled in some time solo plexing. which I do in a corax. Unstabbed. no cloak.