Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Add a couple Small Processor Overclock rigs to get that fourth WCS in, and you've got a winner!

Of course it'll take about 15 seconds+ to lock the rat, and the rats could actually be fast enough to get away from blaster range, so... yeah. Check it out on the test server and see if it's viable.

Besides, since CCP has already stated that these changes aren't supposed to be the end all be all solution to farming, and not intended to make plexes impossible to farm. Therefore, we should expect for at least novices and probably smalls to be able to be farmed with frigates using multiple WCS.

You cant make ISK with multiple people in a PLEX.
This is a SANDBOX game, you should not be FORCED to run plexes with other people.
I want to run plexes ALONE and pvp ALONE.

You are right about the dps, the rats should tank a little bit better, but you should be able to do it ALONE in a decent fitted ship.

Mission Status: Accomplished.

If it takes another 5 minutes to clear the rats in a novice, that's a 30%+ nerf to farming income. Not to mention the nerf since they can't run mediums and larger anymore with stabbed boats in all likelihood. AFK farming is going to be a lot more annoying and require a lot more attention than it does now, so offensive plexing in backwater systems should be somewhat lessened.

At the same time, it's still accessible to newbies, and shouldn't be a big burden for anyone fitting traditional PvP fits. Seems like a pretty decent balance to me.


No stabs, 2 stabs, or 4 stabs. Your opponents will generally bring 1 scram, or 2 if they're hunting farmers. 3 if and only if they know you and hate you with a passion because you run away from their dual scram Astero.

Allow me to educate you....

[Tristan, AFK Delight]
'Repose' Core Compensation
'Repose' Core Compensation
Drone Damage Amplifier I

Medium Supplemental Barrier Emitter I
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Limited Light Ion Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Ion Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

Hobgoblin I x5

This one can solo Novices while AFK, and still retains the ability to evade a single scram typical PvP setup. Guns allow it to tackle Smalls quite easily. This of course is more of a 1 week old setup, but shorter training times are easily accomodated by using fewer drones and relying on gun DPS to fill the gap.

[Incursus, 4 Mids or GTFO]
'Repose' Core Compensation
'Repose' Core Compensation
'Repose' Core Compensation
'Repose' Core Compensation

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Antimatter Charge S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

Hobgoblin I x1

Handles novices and smalls without trouble, and requires 3 scrams to deal with. Lock times absolutely blow goats, but with an AB you don't have to worry about being out of range, and can speed tank to some degree.

Bienator II wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone, these complex changes are currently on SISI for you guys to poke at and break.

We highly encourage interested parties to try them out on SISI and let us know what you think.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4572539#post4572539


I like this suggestion but I think there is another causal driver at work in FW.

The biggest threat to FW players while plexing is not other FW players but of course, non-FW pirates who make a sport of killing FW farmers for fun. They of course do this in specialised ships with specialised boosters sitting at the station or in a deep safe.

In addition to fixing the issue in the plex itself, there needs to be a downside to a pirate attacking a FW player, and an upside to the FW player in killing pirates.

My immediate thought here is that aggressing a FW pilot should make the aggressor a semi-permanent enemy of the faction, and all FW pilots in the faction should issued a mandate to bring the scumbag to justice , with an LP bounty paid for his ship and an even higher one paid for his pod. The LP bounty should increase daily until retribution has been achieved. In order to prevent gaming the system by attacking friends with an out-of-corp alt, the bounty should apply to all toons on the offending account - that is, each toon is allocated a separate cumulative bounty, so that not even the hisec miner alts of the pirate are safe.

In this way, FW players could earn massive bounties my hunting down the alts of repeat offenders, repeat offenders would have to become more careful when playing, and we'd all have a fun old time hunting each other down for money... and we all love money.

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1) I am ok with a pirate entering the plex getting a suspect tag, it would encourage FW pilots to stay and fight if they are worried about their sec status.

2) I am not ok with bounties being associated with pirates, generally speaking most solo FW run from an incoming neutral/pirate, and generally stay if the incoming pilot is outnumbered or there are more of his buddies on the way. Pirates are just part of the game. You can't change the rules to where it's not in the favor of the aggressing pilot to attack at all.

After some tests in Singularity here my ideas:

New Large Outposts

New Large complex spawn rate will improve Cruiser above ship class usage in FW. It will also enhance PVP diversity. But increasing only spawn rate isn't enough alone,

In that point I intensely support gated Large complexes. Gated complexes give some tactical advantages and prevent strong hot-drops and cloaky gangs for solo/small gang players in FW.

So new Large complexes can be separete in 2 class:

- Restricted Large Complexes (Gated) (Sub-Capital ships, include T3s)
- Unrestricted Large Complexes (No Gate)

Spawn rates for both Large Plexes should be same.

NPC and Spawning Changes

The respawn timers of NPCs need a bit optimization, the current timers on test server is too short and unbalanced, there's my suggestion:

- Novice complexes (10 minutes) > 100-200 seconds instead of 90-180 seconds
- Small complexes (15 minutes) > 150-300 seconds instead of 90-180 seconds
- Medium and Large complexes (20 minutes) > 200-400 seconds instead of 90-300 seconds

With these new stats NPC spawn rate will be equal for each 3 complexes in their capture time, for a random timer you need to kill at least 3-6 NPC in complexes.

New active repair rate of the NPCs seem enough, improving NPCs tank ability more may be a problem for low skilled beginner players. It's well balanced at the moment.

Cloaking prevention within capture range

- We can allow usage Covert Ops Cloaking Device in plexes, it won't directly effect farming. Limiting capability of Covert-Ops ships in plexes not a good idea.

I think those new changes will prevent unbalanced cloaky/stabbed farming in complexes and give new cool PVP opsions for FW players.

With all of these changes I am curious what will happen to the FW area. Gal/Cal FW space is very different than Amarr/Min FW space. I certainly don't want the changes to get a considerable amount of people to leave FW entirely. Does anyone have any ideas to what will happen to gameplay in FW. I have an idea that solo plexing will be more or less hard to find, thus finding more people concentrated within a few systems.

I will tell you why the hell not:

Because doing a 6/10 = PVE
Because I can still do a 6/10 Alone
Because FW should be about PVP
Because I want to PVP ALONE

Again, dont get me wrong, a stabbed t1 frigate should not be able to kill the rat in the small and the novice should take him a long time. I am all for the new changes.

Novice should tank 75 DPS
Small should tank: 150 DPS
Medium should tank: 225 DPS
Large should tank 300 DPS

Hotpockets you can still pvp alone. You obviously lose more ships that way, but it is whatever that particular person prefers. I see less solo pilots with this change and more fleet plexing.

Plexing is a PvE activity designed to bring pilots to specific places for specified periods of time, in order to incentivize PvP.

In other words - it's both.

At the moment, the PvE aspect is too heavily rewarded with respect to the amount of effort / attention / fitting required, which has led to the proliferation of stabbed / cloaky plexing alts which infuriate so many.

These changes make that far more difficult, thus significantly impacting the isk/hr of the AFK stabbed cloaky plexing farmers, while not significantly impacting the income a PvPer can make from plexing while trolling for fights.

Not everything in EVE has to be a black and white, PvE or PvP distinction.

The downside for the pirate is when the FW player gets off his candy ass, puts on his big boy pants, and kills the pirate.

This is also the upside for the FW player.