Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Like I said, it is complaining that a tank cannot compete with a F1 care when it comes to speed around a circuit. You don't expect a kiting ship to have enough tank to brawl with a focused brawling ship. If I make a brawling ship out of it then it will have a lot more tank and dps, but it should be pretty clear that I haven't designed the fit as a brawling ship as I don't think that is where it's strengths lie.

if you drop one ionic rig you still have a targeting range beyond the disruptor. Then drop a co-processor and drop the DC down to a meta-4.
Now you can get an auxillary thruster rig on there, giving you a base speed of 4064 (5818 overheated).

The over heated tank (you'd always overheeat an ASB) is 167 - not too shabby considering it's miles out of range of many opponents.

It's vulnerable (after 20 seconds of kiting) to a dramiel etc ofc, but it has the range to simply warp away from any encounter it does not like.

That last bit is important. not losing a ship to an encounter you can't win is step 1 on the ladder to being good at solo pvp.

Ok good, someone who actually knows what they are talking about. Yes I made the fit up pretty quickly, it can be modified quite easily like you mentioned. I don't think the second ionic rig is particularly necessary, you could probably improve it with a auxiliary thruster and a nanofiber like you say.

The main point was to emphasise that this ship will completely dictate combat. There is no way you could kill one against a skilled opponent. The dps should be enough to wear down most ships too and is actually pretty decent as far as kiting ships go.

It will be too fast for drones or guns to hit it properly. And the medium ancillary repper plus invuln will shrug off the small amount of damage which it doesn't manage to mitigate.

Also it has 3 faction mods, so I do not know where you are getting this idea that it is at all blingey. 25mil for the mwd, 10mil for the two rigs, 35mil for the power diag, and 75mil, which can be reduced to around 30 mil for the disruptor. That is really not expensive at all.

Like I said, I am almost certain once this goes on the Test server I will be able to kill most frigates 1v1, and anything bigger I can lock them in place for as long as I want with the long range disruptor. The main counters would be interceptors, although the speed difference is quite slight so you'd still have some time to destroy them before they get to you, or a Loki or Rapier with bonused faction webs.

Also capacitor is fine, it is almost cap stable

CCP Rise, question from a sort of Meta-design perspective for you.

Why are the Mordu's ships Missile boats? There are already several kiting Hybrids ships with disruptor bonuses in the game and missiles tend to be worse for kiting because of the travel time. Plus there's already a Missile/Drone line in the Guristas. I'm all for a second Missile line but that would seem to make more sense as a Caldari/Minmatar cross since Caldari main missiles and Minmattar secondary them.

Basically what's the thought process here with the Pirate battleships as far as what skills they take from each Race and synergies between races vs lack of synergies. Right now we have the Minmattar/Gallente lines which take almost nothing from their off-weapon parent (off-weapon meaning the race they don't take their primary weapons system form), the Guristas which are mostly Drone boats at this point but still use a lot of Missiles and borrow fairly equally from Gallente and Caldari in terms of SP requirements, the Sansha which are Caldari tank, Amarr everything else, Blood Raider is basically Amarr all the way except for the Webs, and the SOE ships are mostly Gallente with Lasers sort of thrown on top.

Overall it's kind of an eclectic mix of skills uses relative to what the base races make use of.

So, yeah, any insight into the process of designing a new Pirate Faction's ships or revamping old ones?

Mordu's are missile boats because the whole point of adding another line, was to give people a true Missile pirate faction.

Originally it was supposed to also be Cal/Mim, hence fast/agile and missiles, till they decided that there's no good lore reason why Mordu's Legion would be Minm at all, so it got a Scram too as that's a Gal perk.

Well I've used long range kitey ships a lot myself before and they are already pretty powerful and can completely dictate an engagement if you are a skilled pilot, the situation is even worse with missile kitey ships. The problem with this is it is a missile kitey ship on steroids, something which will really take the fun out of pvp. This will be the most used solo ship in FW after the changes if it remains as it is, and there will be very little which you can do about it.

Personally I would nerf the ships base speed down to the level of the Succubus. So it is still going to be fast, but it should be enough to take the edge of it. 415 m/s is way over the top, bring that down to around the level of the succubus.

Seriously, stop saying the kite fit will lose to sniper fits. Of course it bloody will.

New ship doesn't change rock/paper/scissors (brawl/kite/snipe).

Exactly, so its not really OP is it then. It turns out its either weak to damps,weak to neuts, on top of being weak to sniping.

Kinda hard to put a ship with that many weaknesses in the 'OP' category.

Not in certain activities. HIhg sec mercs usually fly fits and situations like that. So its not far fetched.

THe cruiser is the only of the 3 that MIGHT be OP when comapred to its competition.

Contrary to what some said, missiles are the BEST weapon for kiting, mainly because you can either kit of transversal tank, without any worry about losing dps due to tracking or falloff. YEs missiles do lose dps from enemy speed, but is FAR less than what a cynabal would lose to fight at the same distance for example.



We will use these.. a LOT. But we will invent as well ways to fight them. The phantasm will be the greatest adversary of this ship, followed by the obvious arazu.

IT is NOT very vulnerable to neuts because basically only 2 ships will field neuts with range enough to threaten it, Geddon and curse. Both ships much slower and easy to avoid.