Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It's back that way somewhere and I'm too lazy to fish through 25 pages.

To paraphrase "You can't hurt farmers by burning them out as they run small POS's with nothing on them and live out of carriers" if that's true then next time you see that, drop an alt in and start scouting.

I'm sorry, wait....

Did this become an economic issue? Nanoribbons are destroying the economy?

Nanoribbons are sold by players to players, so they are not an isk faucet, they are an isk exchange. All isk exchanges for items on the market are taxed in some way, so that makes nanoribbons a net isk sink on the Eve economy.

So what you really have a problem with is the farmers making isk off of other players, right? This is really an issue about isk moving from high sec trade hubs into WH's. Or is blue loot going to be the new boogieman destroying eve on the next page of posts?

We don't need out of date statistics on the holes in our chain. Ditch it CCP with the proviso that the discovery scanner fails to ping you on new sigs pls.

Though my idealistic opinion on this change is the same as I presented previously in this thread, that I agree this would be a change more in the line of what I view the W-Space environment to be, I cannot support this change.

I do NOT agree that this information should be something that someone with a mapping / intel tool should be able to receive an alert on a mapping tool to tell them when activity starts up somewhere in their chain or even to give someone notice when activity is occuring recently in their home WH.

This information here is rather minimal compared to what we gather from manual scouting, as in each individual pilots playtimes, ships, patterns and tendencies. This information does not tell you which group was the ones performing said PvE activities either, and one could be easily mislead believing a group is active at a time they are not if they used this information as their sole point of intel. Even with this information available we still need to spend countless hours waiting and watching for the visual confirmations we need.

So side note: I brought this up in my initial post but I assume it was too long for most people to read, so I'll bring up one particular point I mentioned before. It's a small issue, but I'm just curious as to other people's thoughts. As said before, keep in mind, I am for this API change as it moves towards what wspace and the API should ideally be.

Currently, abandoned towers litter the wspace landscape. There's no easy way to remove or take them (especially in lower classes). There's no easy way to tell if the tower is abandoned or if people still live there. This information helps give a general idea of whether the system is consistently active - aka, someone is living there. Without this and being unable to judge an empty system based on the towers, how do we figure out if a system is lived in? This currently acts as a workaround, and is in no way ideal, but without some other fix, I only see this issue becoming more of an issue.

Wspace hasn't been iterated on since introduction, and POSs are, as many devs have stated, a mess of code. I don't see this being dealt with any time soon (keynote stated it would happen as part of their long-term plan, but, as stated, building stargates is a multi-year plan, meaning fixing POS mechanics is also a year or two away.).

There is no question about it..

Info that is not available ingame should not be available out of game...
Wormhole space is unknown, so the npc kills that are made there should also be unknown.

Should have been implemented a long time ago.

+1

I was going to mention this very same idea, but couldn't be bothered to flesh it out, yet now I find myself with a lot of extra time on my hands yet again.

It's behind the curtain mechanics so it shouldn't need to be explained. There is still a percentage chance it could go either way, but depending on the activity of the residents the likelihood of rolling into an active hole can be increased. If the residents are consistently rolling out of inactive holes, stack the deck in their favor of rolling into an active one, but not so heavily that finding people is a guarantee after a certain number of rolls. There should still be a good degree of uncertainty and random chance. If the residents are rolling into holes and clearing the sites within that hole, leave the chance to roll into an active hole just as random as it's always been.

This will not be easy for CCP to implement, but it would be a very good solution to the problem that would satisfy everyone.

I understand you have some dreams, but in reality carebears spotting WH PVP tickers just log off. Even if you'll attack the pos, you'll get nothing. Ships that cant be saved will be self-destructed, fit stripped. They dont care about anomalies - there always will be few next day. And we ourselves have plenty of places to farm with better efficiency and better comfort.

Correct change CCP FoxFour, this data shouldn't be accessed via API or client by design.

Also don't forget about other side of this question with delay of K162 signature!

I'm aware everyone knows the problems with POSs. It was more an attempt to get conversation rolling for alternatives and solutions in the meantime - this functionality currently acts as one and with it going away, brainstorming ideas seemed like a good idea. I wasn't looking for a medal. I was looking for input.

I'm quite aware capital PvP is not the only way to enjoy eve. In fact, I have nothing to do with it. My primary wspace experience is with about 5-10 other pilots in a C4, hunting people in our static C2. Unlike the larger groups using this to find capitals, we use it to avoid larger groups we can't deal with.

We do run people out of WHs. It's one of my favorite things to do - watch and learn their habits for a week or two before coming in to reinforce everything while they're logged off, and we enjoy the fights that ensue until we can loot the pinata.

We can't run anything higher than C4 sites. We're not large enough. As I said, I'm for this change. Carebears have a right to their playstyle, and people who dabble in different areas are fine as well. You say carebears annoy you? Well, tactless pricks who choose to pointlessly attack other's choices in how to enjoy themselves annoy me, and most other people who play eve. Go make assumptions elsewhere.



Very valid, and I agree. By the same mention though, I'd say payouts in all space is currently too high other than LS (although the new tags certainly brought it into a better place, and I'm ignoring FW farming). High class WHs shouldn't be as farmable, HS missions are too safe, and null shouldn't be able to produce hundreds of titans. Alas, the original balance for all of these things haven't withstood the test of time.