Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes, considered doing it, but it's very undecided at the moment. It all depends if we can implement bonuses for multiple structures in Starbases or not.

This.

If your markup is 7% (not uncommon on tech 2 cruisers), saving 2% on materials increases that to 9%. That's actually a 28.5% increase.

Please change how the per run cost reduction works. Make it per run and not per hour of run.

At the current per hour discount model it is cheaper to do large production in an NPC station than a POS. Even with the 2% material discount.

Using all the assumptions from the example:
200M ship, 0.25% global production, 0.75 system equipment, 4 hours runs each, 10% tax in the NPC station
and add:
ME10 requires 180M minerals. 0.75% Sales tax, 0.75% Broker Fee, 60k/hour of POS fuel

The total profit benefit for a POS vs NPC station at 1 run is 1.9%, Five runs 1.3%, ten runs 0.5%, and fifteen runs -0.2%..

I.e. current new math 5 runs at a POS cost 5% more per run than at a NPC station. 10 runs 11% more per run each. More than 15 four hour runs and you are losing the profit boost of a POS.

The production requires 60 hours in a station and only 42 in a POS and unless EVE is your job probably make it to a trade hub at about the same time.

Updated original post with Laboratory changes.

Also specified which assembly arrays are not being affected by the Material Reduction bonus.

CCP Ytterbium, me and behalf all industrialist we are thanking you all for hard work you are doing for the industrial aspect of this game...but I have question that is killing me and I wish you to answer it. CCP already stated before they can't touch POS code due to implications of SOV and how it's old to be modified from what I understand, but apparently since you started buffing POS you did:

1- modify the functionality of the arrays ( Medium Intensive Refinery to Compression Array)
2- modify the name of arrays. (labs names, capital assembly arrays, Compression array)
3- changing the fuel consumption to fixed figures (previously it was based on the online arrays)
4- modifying/removing the stat values of arrays and labs ( ex. cargo hold, ME/TE values)
5- ability to change PWG/CPU values of the towers and all arrays.

So, what you can't do to POS code ? the ability change the UI to make it something similar to the new UI of manufacturing ?

Technically they can do anything they want. However the main problem is that the old starbase code is poorly documented, and there are many pitfalls where changing one thing might affect something initially unrelated. For example, changing the rules on anchoring starbase structures might affect anchorable warp bubbles or outpost upgrades in unexpected ways. This means that certain changes carry a high degree of risk.

The majority of changes made recently to starbases have been one of three things:

A) Changing stats like cargo capacity or grid / cpu. This is simple and works the same way as rebalancing ships - there's no code to alter, just some values in a table.

B) Linking existing code to other objects, such as when they took the existing renaming function and allowed it to be used by more structures. The compression array would have also re-used some code written for the Rorqual, with some tweaks.

C) Redesigned other systems that starbase code connects to, especially industry. In the case of assembly arrays, labs, etc, all the majority of this code was re-factored by the industry project already.

As for what they'd rather not change... I'd say that anything connected to the core starbase mechanics - anchoring structures, how they interact with objects on grid or in-system, force fields, etc. That's why you won't see modular POS until there's a full re-factoring to starbase code - which is a major project akin to the upcoming Industry one.

It's strange post to come from RvB that bashing POS being considered as service you provide, but anyway..they said in the Fanfest (it was answer to question like yours) they will be making CONCORD to fire at any offline POS with no charter in its cargo to clear up the moon for anyone to use them.

Yes, I never seen or heard of that at any panel either...

*Citation Needed*

I'd like to see the hacking mini game tossed into that picture...

A failed attempt locks it down for "X" hours...

Because POS fuel is free?

1) 2% reduction is not alway 2% reduction because of rounding.

2) A small POS burning 100M a month. 2% savings means you have to turn at least 5 billion a month just to break even... but then your jobs, materials and BP are at risk.

3) upgrade to a large so you don't have to cancel all jobs and lose materials on every war dec, and if you aren't turning 20 billion a month, the 2% isn't covering fuel costs... and jobs, materials and BPs are still at risk.