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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#481 - 2014-05-06 07:38:42 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

Which says something about both of us.


Yeah, its says you haven't been playing as long as I have. Just wait.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#482 - 2014-05-06 07:43:11 UTC
Lephia DeGrande wrote:
So everyone has also to point on his own nose, try to improve your behaviors not only in real life but also ingame to a meaningful Level, because its just a game right?


It's a game where I play a role of ruthless pirate, I try to explode everything I can land on top of. Men, women, children (newbies) - no exceptions. I have no idea how could I improve my behavior even more than that.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#483 - 2014-05-06 07:51:14 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
I think it would be interesting if we could get a look at the number of players who have left the game due to arrest and conviction for crimes. I think that a lot of you might be surprised, if what I personally think would be the case turns out to be true.
I obviously think a lot more of the Eve community, and its members, than you do.

Which says something about both of us.



I got the same feels, Jonah bro. It's always the rampant carebear types screaming the doom and gloom dirty sociopath generator crud. It's also...carebears that end up being implicated in the vast majority of "Taking it way too far out of game" BS that they like to accuse us "bad people" of doing.

I go out for a beer with the vast majority of "bad people" in EVE, without a care in the world about it. Would totally sit in a bar and down a few with my hated war-targets in game. Likely chat about kills and losses to go along with.

The EVE community is overall, a quite well behaved and great group of people when it comes to the real world. We share a love for this crazy bad spaceship submarine game, and it draws us together across our pretendo war lines. There's been repeated stories from businesses involved with Fanfest talking about how wonderful, polite, and kind these evil awful horrid must be psycho players actually are.

It's the one's who don't engage in the community, and pull the "EVE totes real in game baddy=RL sociopath" garbage that always seems to end up making news for going way outside the game bounds.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#484 - 2014-05-06 07:52:23 UTC
What is wrong with this weirdo ???
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#485 - 2014-05-06 08:34:24 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Minor vandalism? So what?

Despicable. So if someone came to vandalise your home, presumably you would be ok with that then.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#486 - 2014-05-06 08:37:06 UTC
dafuq... o_O

Why?!

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#487 - 2014-05-06 08:47:15 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
did it ever occur to any of you that spending so much time coming up with new and exciting ways to be the biggest **** possible to other people might not be healthy? That it might lead to people doing questionable things in real life?

no, it didn't, largely because a normal healthy adult can separate irl emotional values from in game digital acts (in a game famous for lacking any sort of moral authority....well until ripard teg anyway).

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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#488 - 2014-05-06 08:48:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
Octoven wrote:
Astenion wrote:
Ha! I love The Mittani's voiced disgust on that Twitter post, because we all know he's a man of such high moral fiber.

Yes, it's vandalism. No, it shouldn't have happened. Yes, it's a **** move.

Any word on how much that real life e-peen monument cost to build? Like someone said before, it's a monument to a bank account dressed up as an homage to players. Personally, I'd rather have WiS and new shiny ships than a monument. I'm sure some people let go after that 20 million euro loss would rather have jobs, too.

The point is that the focus here should be the fact that an Eve player committed an act of vandalism at Fanfest, not that an Eve player committed an act of vandalism on a phallic e-peen video game monument. All these comments like, "Oh, you're such a horrible person" and "You should be beaten severely" are just as ridiculous. Get over yourselves and your bleeding hearts. Someone scratched someone's name out on a chunk of metal, and while it's rude, classless, and petty, people are rude, classless, and petty every single day. Go to any major city and see graffiti ruining facades of historic, MEANINGFUL landmarks and cultural treasures. It's a travesty.

This is not. This is a crime, and should be dealt with as such. People have made other people literally cry in Eve, yet we all love "the tears". Scratch someone's name on a monument, post it on Twitter, and people will actually call you the famous German dictator. Go ahead...check it out...it's in the comment section of the Twitter post.

Let's get this straight: it's fine to torment people in-game to the point of tears or extreme bouts of rage, yet scratch someone's name out on a monument (again, it's a crime...but you're treating it as a crime against humanity) and all of a sudden you're outraged and all take the moral high ground.

Got it.

Let CCP clean it up and charge the guy who did it. Everyone else should save their ever-present outrage and go blow up more spaceships. "It's just the internet" doesn't apply anymore. Being a **** is being a ****, wherever you are.


What defines a MEANINGFUL landmark is relative to how the person feels about it. For example, I may not give two ***** about the Statue of Liberty, but some one else may see it in a more personally meaningful way. It isn't my place or anyone else to say otherwise. We all take different landmarks and monuments differently than others.

Yes it is a crime, but to the people who this monument commemorates its is indeed an insult to their accomplishments. As said, it isn't for you to define if this is indeed meaningful or not, and if it really bothers you that much that others do, then the solution seems quite simple...ignore it.


A 1,000 year-old edifice in Rome or Florence is quite meaningful, and much more meaningful than a video game monument about internet spaceships. Someone defacing one of the frescoes in Piazza San Marco would be much more of a travesty than a single name scratched out on a video game monument.

Sure, it's wrong and the person should be made to make reparations, but I think people need to put this all into perspective and not fly off the handle about it like they're doing. Some punk scratched off a single name of Hilmar's monument to himself (with our names, of course) and instead of reacting to it like it's just some punk vandalizing it, everyone acts like he drew a mustache on the Mona Lisa.

I do want to reiterate that I realize this is a crime and that it should be treated as a crime, with a fitting punishment. It's Iceland so he'll probably have to pay a fine and issue a public apology; it's not like anyone's going to jail over this. I just want everyone to reel it in a bit and keep it all in perspective. It's not a crime against humanity, it's petty vandalism.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#489 - 2014-05-06 08:48:26 UTC
I thought this was about the goon sticker.

Much as I dislike Xenuria this is just a dickmove, the person who did it should be made to pay for the new plate and make a public apology.
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#490 - 2014-05-06 08:57:39 UTC
Astenion wrote:
Sure, it's wrong and the person should be made to make reparations, but I think people need to put this all into perspective and not fly off the handle about it like they're doing. Some punk scratched off a single name of Hilmar's monument to himself (with our names, of course) and instead of reacting to it like it's just some punk vandalizing it, everyone acts like he drew a mustache on the Mona Lisa.

No one is flying off the handle, so I am not sure why you are thinking that. The majority of the responses are simply stating that this act crosses the line.

The other point to consider, fanfest attendees are a guests in Iceland. Now, I hope if one of your kids vandalises a friends brand new car for instance, you wouldn't have this poor attitude which you are displaying towards Icelanders right now. I don't think your friend would be too amused if you simply shrug it off saying it doesn't matter because their brand new car wasn't the Mona Lisa.
Sarah Nahrnid
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#491 - 2014-05-06 09:07:39 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
I thought this was about the goon sticker.

Much as I dislike Xenuria this is just a dickmove, the person who did it should be made to pay for the new plate and make a public apology.


Pretty much this, but I'd include the longest possible jail time on top of that.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#492 - 2014-05-06 09:09:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
Medalyn Isis wrote:
Astenion wrote:
Sure, it's wrong and the person should be made to make reparations, but I think people need to put this all into perspective and not fly off the handle about it like they're doing. Some punk scratched off a single name of Hilmar's monument to himself (with our names, of course) and instead of reacting to it like it's just some punk vandalizing it, everyone acts like he drew a mustache on the Mona Lisa.

No one is flying off the handle, so I am not sure why you are thinking that. The majority of the responses are simply stating that this act crosses the line.

The other point to consider, fanfest attendees are a guests in Iceland. Now, I hope if one of your kids vandalises a friends brand new car for instance, you wouldn't have this poor attitude which you are displaying towards Icelanders right now. I don't think your friend would be too amused if you simply shrug it off saying it doesn't matter because their brand new car wasn't the Mona Lisa.


I'm not saying it doesn't matter, I'm saying people need to keep it in perspective. It's a crime and the perpetrator should be punished as such. It's an embarrassment to all of us because it reflects poorly on all of us. However, a single name was scratched out on an internet spaceship monument in Iceland. It's vandalism and the perpetrator should be brought to make reparations. But let's not kid ourselves here; it's not like he scratched out the face of the Mona Lisa.

It's an embarrassment to all of us because it reflects poorly on all Eve players. However, it was just a stupid act, that's all. I'm not shrugging this off as you claim. I've stated repeatedly that the perpetrator should be brought to justice in accordance with Icelandic law and be made to make reparations. However, many people are taking the opposite end of the spectrum by being too outraged by this and not keeping it in perspective.

Also, I live in Italy. Do you have any idea how many tourists come here every single year and annoy, vandalize, litter, and destroy things here? It's all part of tourism and if you're going to play the tourism game, you have to be prepared for this type of thing. Secondly, my kid would never vandalize anything because if he or she did, they would get a boot so far up their ass that their breath would smell of shoe polish.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#493 - 2014-05-06 09:32:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
thats some impressive fail right there.
Edit: the comment I was referring to got isd'd.

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Maria Firn
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#494 - 2014-05-06 09:34:55 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
So, there's a couple of things going to happen in this thread right now:

  • First - People are going to stop pointing fingers and blaming people. CCP will investigate and take any action against game accounts, along with any legal action that we feel necessary. This is already in progress.
  • Second - This is damage of public property in the City of Reykjavik. The police have been informed, and investigation is ongoing. This is not a laughing matter, and will be dealt with as a criminal offence. We are currently reviewing security footage from a number of surrounding buildings.
  • Third - People will stop attacking the victim of this on our forums. It's not funny, it's not clever. Take your rumor mongering and personal attacks away from our community. If you choose not to, you'll be removed from the community, permanently. It's a simple as that. We will not tolerate victimization.

What's happened is absolutely disgusting. It's an insult to the entire community and is clearly the work a person who believes that behavior in a virtual world is a valid reason to make a real life personal attack on someone, and deface public property.




I don't see why your so surprised ? in a game which harbours the worst in humans, rewards bad behaviour, applauds underhand deceit, then surely this is the norm ?

How is this any different than a certain individual promoting bullying and harassment at fanfest ?

How is this any different than a certain scam artists bonus room ?

Its about time CCP stepped up its game and put whats good back into EVE and promoted positive gameplay and spirit rather than rewarding the underhand individuals and organisations.

Im not one dam bit surprised this happened.
Maria Firn
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#495 - 2014-05-06 09:39:11 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
So, there's a couple of things going to happen in this thread right now:


With that in mind, I'll make a simple one time offer, that if the person who defaced the monument wants to come forward and contact me relating to this, then they can do so by EVE mailing my Dev character. If this happens, we'll take it as a gesture of good faith after an extremely stupid act that was committed.

With this in mind, be sure to keep this thread on topic, and cut out the personal attacks and finger pointing. People who break the rules will lose their forum posting privileges. Permanently.

Thanks.


Gesture of good faith ? again CCP that's a sign of weakness right there. The individual should be prosecuted and jailed or sent for therapy.
DrSmegma
Smegma United
#496 - 2014-05-06 09:43:12 UTC  |  Edited by: DrSmegma
Maria Firn wrote:

Gesture of good faith ? again CCP that's a sign of weakness right there. The individual should be prosecuted and jailed or sent for therapy.

This indidates that they have no idea who did it and have no chance of finding out. Neither Twitter nor the police will care about a scratch on a huge something. There won't be DNA tests, cadaver dogs, or scratches from the point of view of the monument and all the other stuff you know from CSI Miami.

The funny part is: Now the monument mirrors the spirit of Eve exactly. Actually, now it's real.

Eve too complicated? Try Astrum Regatta.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#497 - 2014-05-06 09:54:32 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Maria Firn wrote:


I don't see why your so surprised ?

Im not one dam bit surprised this happened.


Despite having played Eve since 2005, I am in fact surprised by this.

As much as people like to look down on Eve players due to our reputation gained, we still have come together numerous times in acts of charity and selflessness.

Hell, when Vile Rat was killed, it was EVE players along with some from SA that were there to help support his family with $127,000 in donations over a very short period of time.

And on top of that it was a Goon who initially started the fundraiser. Even more remarkable is that the youcaring fundraiser was only one of many charity drives started by Eve players at that same time.

http://www.youcaring.com/tuition-fundraiser/benefit-for-sean-smith-s-family/30678
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#498 - 2014-05-06 10:05:11 UTC
Maria Firn wrote:

I don't see why your so surprised ? in a game which harbours the worst in humans, rewards bad behaviour, applauds underhand deceit, then surely this is the norm ?



perhaps because, like many other forumites like me and certainly others, we keep all of that ingame, as the minimally sane people we are.

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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#499 - 2014-05-06 10:46:58 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
mkint wrote:

Just because Hellmar is fully justified in building a massive statue to himself and then pretends it's not about him at all, doesn't mean it's not a waste. The statue itself is the kind of thing a 3rd world dictator would do. People are also fully justified in watching michael bay and uwe boll movies, wearing popped collars and training as pick up artists. That doesn't make it any less dumb, or deserving of derision.


You've obviously never been to Fanfest, otherwise you would realize that EVE Online and CCP as a company are some damn special **** in Reykjavik. The monument isn't a 'lol we're so amazing lololol'. It's a tribute to the amazing impact EVE Online has on Iceland as a country and Reykjavik as a city. EVE Online is one of the biggest export products in Iceland. EVE Fanfest is one of the, if not THE biggest tourist event of the year in Reykjavik.

The monument represents the impact of our digital universe on the real lifes of people living in Reykjavik. And that's pretty damn special if you ask me.


Was waiting to find a post like this to add to. And say that with as much impact that CCP has in Iceland a possible addition to any punishment for the vandal could include being banned from entering Iceland ever again. And I bet they could accomplish that very easily. And it would be hilarious.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#500 - 2014-05-06 10:51:21 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
mkint wrote:

Just because Hellmar is fully justified in building a massive statue to himself and then pretends it's not about him at all, doesn't mean it's not a waste. The statue itself is the kind of thing a 3rd world dictator would do. People are also fully justified in watching michael bay and uwe boll movies, wearing popped collars and training as pick up artists. That doesn't make it any less dumb, or deserving of derision.


You've obviously never been to Fanfest, otherwise you would realize that EVE Online and CCP as a company are some damn special **** in Reykjavik. The monument isn't a 'lol we're so amazing lololol'. It's a tribute to the amazing impact EVE Online has on Iceland as a country and Reykjavik as a city. EVE Online is one of the biggest export products in Iceland. EVE Fanfest is one of the, if not THE biggest tourist event of the year in Reykjavik.

The monument represents the impact of our digital universe on the real lifes of people living in Reykjavik. And that's pretty damn special if you ask me.


Was waiting to find a post like this to add to. And say that with as much impact that CCP has in Iceland a possible addition to any punishment for the vandal could include being banned from entering Iceland ever again. And I bet they could accomplish that very easily. And it would be hilarious.


LOL Terrorist watch list.