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Slight Issues with Tech 3 Ships
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Grunnax Aurelius
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#1 - 2014-05-05 08:36:42 UTC
Hey everyone,

So the issue I am bring up about Tech 3 ships is a rather small issue, but has somewhat of a big'ish impact.

So as you know, depending on which defensive subsystem you take on you Tech 3 ship will depend on how big your cargo bay is, i understand why the warfare link defensive subsystem has a small cargo bay, because its generally and off-grid ship, so no problems with this. How ever there are some slight issues with all the other defensive subsystems for cargo space on the Minmatar and Gallente Tech 3. CCP gave us Mobile Depot, basically designed to allow carrying and switching 2 kinds of Tech 3 load out. (Yes i know mobile Depot is not for tech 3 exclusively).

Loki has between 200m3 and 300m3 depending on subsystem

Proteus has between 220m3 and 320m3 depending on subsystem

Amarr has between 300m3 and 340m3 depending on subsystem

Now the Tengu.... between 410m3 and 440m3 depending on subsystem (290m3 for warfare link subsystem)

The issue is if you try and do exploration in a Proteus or a Loki, you can't carry in your cargo covert cloak, scan probe launcher and probes, cover subsystem, warp stabs, interdiction nullifier and a mobile depot with out severely depleting your ammo storage making it impossible to run even a single combat site. Legion does not have an issue because Crystals take up sweet F All cargo space and the Tengu just has massive cargo space.

Simple Fix, please just increase the Cargo bay size of the Loki and Proteus (By the way i don't fly Proteus, i prefer my Loki).

If I could just carry between 4k and 6K ammo, 8 sister probes and a sisters probe launcher, covert ops cloak and subsystem, interdiction nullifier and 3 warp stabs, data analyzer, relic analyzer, mobile depot and still have 100m3 space left for loot on my loki that would be great.

Thanks
Grunnax

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King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2014-05-05 10:08:11 UTC
Proteus should have the biggest cargo bay so it could carry the drones required for drone subsystem.

Grunnax Aurelius
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2014-05-05 10:33:12 UTC
King Fu Hostile wrote:
Proteus should have the biggest cargo bay so it could carry the drones required for drone subsystem.




To balance it out, the drone subsystem could give additional cargo bay as to not make all proteus fits have massive cargo. Same goes for the Legion.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#4 - 2014-05-05 10:52:53 UTC
correct me if im wrong, but caldari missile boats tend to have biggish cargo bays, because missiles are larger in volume than other ammo types.

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Grunnax Aurelius
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2014-05-05 10:56:07 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
correct me if im wrong, but caldari missile boats tend to have biggish cargo bays, because missiles are larger in volume than other ammo types.


I fly a Tengu with my Alt, i can carry all exploration swap out equipment on top of about 4k missiles which gets me through a couple of sites and still have space for important loot.

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Seliah
Red Cloud Vigil
#6 - 2014-05-05 11:03:38 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
correct me if im wrong, but caldari missile boats tend to have biggish cargo bays, because missiles are larger in volume than other ammo types.


The amount of cargo you need for your ammo (eg less for lazors, more for missiles) should be reflected by the amount of cargo an offensive subsystem gives you.

There should be higher cargo bonuses on "exploration-oriented" subsystems, and this should be even across all 4 races.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#7 - 2014-05-05 11:09:50 UTC
fair enough

make it so ^^

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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#8 - 2014-05-05 11:20:34 UTC
Seliah wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
correct me if im wrong, but caldari missile boats tend to have biggish cargo bays, because missiles are larger in volume than other ammo types.


The amount of cargo you need for your ammo (eg less for lazors, more for missiles) should be reflected by the amount of cargo an offensive subsystem gives you.

There should be higher cargo bonuses on "exploration-oriented" subsystems, and this should be even across all 4 races.


this - just don't forget drones! some of the other subsystems should also give cargo-bay - electronics, defensive & offensive are the main 3

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Bakuhz
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2014-05-05 11:50:55 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
correct me if im wrong, but caldari missile boats tend to have biggish cargo bays, because missiles are larger in volume than other ammo types.


true still my tengu is able to carry laods of missiels
then compared to the other strategics grunnax has a good point
never thought about it mysefl as i fly legion and tengu

but with fozzie and rise announcement that t3 is under the loop for rebalance and tweaks i think this is a nice point of discussion and not hard to change a few variables of text nothing to worry no balance shifts etc so i dont see why this would be able to be changd in like a matter of seconds and a small patch

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