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Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#21 - 2014-05-03 07:18:56 UTC
Higgs Foton wrote:
If plex prices go up, i transfer my highest SP char from my third account to my second, and discontinue that third account. The reason i started that third account was that i could afford it with plex.

So i think more expensive plex prices are not that great for the community at all.


Why are the goons all so poor? You guys should be rolling in isk. Straight

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#22 - 2014-05-03 07:20:19 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
If they don't have to grind for ISK they'd be buying PLEX anyway and these prices wouldn't be much different to them from the ~300M many of us remember seeing.


I don't understand how you reached that conclusion. Are you simply saying that the shift in supply and demand would cause that price change?

Oh god.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-05-03 07:20:39 UTC
I am fortunate enough to have a job. Higher PLEX price is working out nicely for me. Seeing as I normally whelp T1 frigates around the 10m mark I have been able to go hell for leather.

Luckily my corp doesn't seem to mind too much. Good job really since I suck at PvP.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#24 - 2014-05-03 08:03:02 UTC
Noriko Mai wrote:
The harder it is to afford a PLEX the likelier it is that subs will be paid with money or the players (rage)quit. Kids today have big problems with pay to play games. Do you think that more expensive PLEX prices will be good for the community? Good in the sense of "adult" community? Or good in a totaly different manner? If not, why not?


1.
It's not hard to buy PLEX with ISK. Not even remotely. FW offers some 200-300 mil per hour (I'm talking about level 4 missions in a bomber on tier 3). You don't even need much skill points for this.

A dedicated PI account (3 characters) can easily fund itself AND your main account if you are doing 5 planets per character in 0.0/w-space. Those are three 1.5 mil SP alts that can be trained during buddy invite + first month. This is considering that you are setting the extractors at 24 hours and spending 5-10 minutes per character daily to pick stuff up or reset extractors. It also considers moving the extractors once in two weeks, which will require an hour more.

I've never run Incursions, but I hear they are very profitable as well.

Doing missions for SoE is decent ISK/Hour as well... Or other "non-mainstream" factions for that matter.

You have epic arcs as well. Each will pay 300mil minimum and can be repeated once every 3 months. Empire arcs can be completed in 2 evenings relaxed and pirate ones can be done in an evening. There are currently 7 epic arcs total meaning that you can do 2 of them each month perpetually.

If that's not enough, merely following dev blogs, stocking up on items that are going to be more widely used and re-selling them when the price jumps can make you so much ISK that PLEX would not be any problem.

If all that is not enough, an industry expansion is coming with infinite research/manufacturing slots even in highsec.

Each one of those activities will yield you a PLEX for a total of 10-20 play hours a month.

On the other hand, if you are a purely PvE player that have time to play regularly, even hisghsec level4 missions can fund your PLEX and you'll get plenty of ISK spare for bling.

2.
Kids are not playing EVE online and they never did (statistically). Seven years ago when I started playing the average age of EVE player was 25. It's not much different now either. Kids are not target market for EVE online.

3.
Yes, more expensive PLEX prices are good for the community. The game had some severe issues with bots and illegal ISK selling a couple of years back. These new PLEX prices killed most of the ISK sellers by making them unprofitable and also had a nice impact on the bots as well. I'm not saying that the situation now is perfect, but it's far better than a couple of years ago.

4.
There was a pretty decent influx of new players since Crucible and I've seen some veterans going away. Overall, people are coming and going while the subscription base keeps growing. By the way I don't think that PLEX prices has anything to do with it. The quality of the game does.
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#25 - 2014-05-03 08:08:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Oh... and one more thing... Regarding "Pay to play" model

It's the only normal and acceptable model for an adult, at least by my opinion. Those micro-transaction money grabs designed to milk the customers are something that can only fool kids and inexperienced gamers. You kind of get sick of it once you realize that the gameplay in them is centered around who can throw more money away.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#26 - 2014-05-03 08:21:24 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
the gameplay in them is centered around who can throw more money away.

Eve in a nutshell. Good post though.

Oh god.
Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#27 - 2014-05-03 09:18:40 UTC
Earning Isk for Plex is not really that difficult despite the recent surge in the cost of. The only real factor that is actually relevant is the time constraints involved and not everybody who does have the pennies to spend can afford the time to do so, so choose a different path.

Putting it down to those that work/would like to work is banal bollox!

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#28 - 2014-05-03 09:25:30 UTC
I wish PLEX already reached 1 bil, I'm tired of using 0.7 as multiplier for my stack. Math iz hard!

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-05-03 09:38:00 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
the gameplay in them is centered around who can throw more money away.

Eve in a nutshell. Good post though.


Eve is in a completely seperate league compared to pay to play models like Maplestory, where players will throw in the hundreds of dollars, to even a thousand, at a single weapon that has had a ton of cash shop items used on it to buff it up. These are by no means uncommon, especially at high levels, and it's not just weapons. Most of the people I met when I played were dropping ridiculous amounts of money compared to what Eve players do, short of those that plex supercapitals.
Obunagawe
#30 - 2014-05-03 09:39:34 UTC
PLEX has already reached a point where it's unpalatable to people to pay this much. Look at units traded in Jita since the price went up - and look at the direction the graph has taken.
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-05-03 11:00:12 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Karen Avioras wrote:
High plex prices = Bad for people w/o jobs (EVE shouldnt be their priority if this is the case) and people who cant have jobs, students etc

Students generally don't have the time to grind for ISK. If they don't have to grind for ISK they'd be buying PLEX anyway and these prices wouldn't be much different to them from the ~300M many of us remember seeing.


I'm a student (and not slacking at it) but still have time to grind ISK. PI helps a lot with that.

I guess seeing PLEX prices rise in stark disproportion to the rest of the economy just makes me feel I missed out. It's not a huge tragedy but I certainly would want them to do something about it before it hits 1 bil.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#32 - 2014-05-03 11:03:46 UTC
Apparently, boring grinds are more interesting that something hard to some people.

Personally, the price has never effected my play because I dont waste 3 hours of my life circling a small triangle.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-05-03 11:17:18 UTC
Possible impact of high ISK 4 PLEX:

1) people unsub an alt or two --> NO impact on the community

2) people that COULD afford 15$/month but DON'T think the game is worth it may quit --> arguably GOOD for the community

3) some people will have to grind some more / PVP less --> NO impact on the community (but bad for the gameplay)

4) people that can neither grind nor pay $ may quit --> ??? for community, but hey you can't play for free without even making the effort to grind ISK to give to someone selling you PLEX

Sum of the above: hard to say, probably neutral to good for the community, probably bad-ish for the gameplay (less stuff flying about and getting exploded).

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Higgs Foton
Mission And Mining Inc
#34 - 2014-05-03 11:19:27 UTC
Belt Scout wrote:
Higgs Foton wrote:
If plex prices go up, i transfer my highest SP char from my third account to my second, and discontinue that third account. The reason i started that third account was that i could afford it with plex.

So i think more expensive plex prices are not that great for the community at all.


Why are the goons all so poor? You guys should be rolling in isk. Straight


I am actually rolling in ISK. But i have a limited time for grinding, and lets be fair: grinding is not really fun at all. With the current price development i can probably keep up two accounts with plexing. If it gets higher i might even start paying subscription for one account. But i am not planning on paying money for more than that. Cheap plex provided a nice opportunity to have more accounts, but with prices going up the way they are now it has become too much hassle to grind for plex.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-05-03 11:33:36 UTC
sigh

Another thread making out PLEX are expensive when if you char is older than 6 months you should be able to pay way more than 700 mill a month for Plex even if they only play for an hour every second day.

I presume most of the complaints are new players all keen to play for free as soon as possible.
Luca Lure
Obertura
#36 - 2014-05-03 11:34:25 UTC
Olive Outamon wrote:
Driving PLEX price up will force a lot of people out of the game, most that i know are playing it
because they can plex the accounts, and the bad game content delivered in the last couple of years does
not justify paying the subscription anymore even if we can afford it.
This is a good thing since will force the company to actually put efforts into making the game worth the fee.



Why would you play a game if you don't like the content. I don't really understand the problem of paying 20$ for a game you play for at least 20 hours a month. That's 1$ an hour or often even less. The same people go to some crap Will Smith cinema movie and pay 7$ for 1,5 hours of bad jokes. You get more bad jokes on the EVE forums for your 20$.

The plex prices don't matter. If you can plex now, you can still do it later. If you can't do it now, you won't be doing it later.

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Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#37 - 2014-05-03 11:42:35 UTC
I think CCP are doing the right thing in bringing the price of PLEX up. It forces kids to get back in school! Those kids will finally get their diplomas and eventually, earn a high paying job. Those individuals will be back in Eve and have no problem paying for their subs. On the long run, more money in CCP's corp wallet.

Its a win-win situation. Smile
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#38 - 2014-05-03 11:43:42 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:

Another thread making out PLEX are expensive when if you char is older than 6 months you should be able to pay way more than 700 mill a month for Plex even if they only play for an hour every second day..


Unless you hate doing boring things lol

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Rayo Atra
Guardians of the Volatile Wine
#39 - 2014-05-03 12:34:19 UTC
An eve sub is at its most expensive is 0.50/day (us). If that is out of your price range you need to quit. A 3 month sub is 0.34/day.

Worse case scenario regarding plex is fewer alts, which would be great for player interaction. Lose your hauler alt and team up with a hauler. Fewer Alts and more interaction is good. restructure your play-style, your corp, your thinking . Adapt and you'll be fine, whine and you'll hopefully go away. I do not ever want to play, even for a moment with "kids".

Tell you what I do like though: A killer. A dyed-in-the-wool killer. Cold-blooded, clean, methodical and thorough.

-Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#40 - 2014-05-03 12:40:38 UTC
Noriko Mai wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Noriko Mai wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
[quote=Noriko Mai]


And every thread is whinning about the high price... Try harder Doc...


The thread topics perhaps, read the posts.

I did. Maybe your superior moderation abilities can point me to the thread that is actually discussing this topic...


Why should he have to do your job?
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