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What about BPOs like Moros, which is perfect at ME 6. After the patch it will be less than perfect and still need ton of work to be perfected again ?

That does'nt seem right

Really loving the changes to research, couple of questions however!

- With these changes, does this mean that POS modules for example are now ME researchable, since currently you can research ME but it does nothing. Im assuming yes, as they are extra materials.

- What is going to happen to jobs in research, some of us might have some stupidly long BPO research going, which depending on when they patch is out, might overlap. Will all research get insta finished come patch day and then converted, or will research be lost?

Seems legit the new way.

Still not figuring this out, you can get to ME rank 10, and you can't improve more then that, correct?

And yea, still waiting on pos number changes, need to know shall I put it down or keep it running :D

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So if I have a blueprint with ME 4 that is currently perfect under the existing system, it will now require days/weeks to re-perfect it? That seems really odd.

What I expected to see is that the perfect ME/TE for any given blueprint be calculated, and then blueprints transitioned to the new system based on a ratio between their current number and the perfect number. E.g. if I have a blueprint at ME 4, and a perfect ME would be 5, then I'm at 0.8 and should get an ME 8% (or TE 16%) on the new blueprint.

Obviously you won't be able to go with a 100% perfect value as the upper end for a lot of things, since many blueprints have ridiculous upper-ends on that scale, but some reasonable margin would probably make most people happy (e.g. 95% or 98% being the "perfect" ME used to scale the top end of the ratio).

I second this. For T2 manufacture, all those component BPOs that only needed low ME levels to max and we did the work to max them... how is the conversion going to work. My orca BPO is researched to 2 since at that level I only needed one extra capital component - what doe that scale to on the new system... 90% or 10%... its a big difference.

For the UI - how do those t2 component BPOs work into the manufacturing flow for that T2 product? Can you show us a full screen shot? or are you having to run each of those jobs in a separate UI and then the final T2 product in yet another?

T3 manufacturing works the same way... one screen or individual screens for each step of the process?

Will we see the ability to research invented BPCs to improve the ME/TE? if not are you finally going to get rid of BPOs and give us nuggs a chance to compete and actually make money?

"CCP why are you letting me research my BPOs and reduce wastage further? Please stop allowing me to improve my builds."

That was my first thought. Where are the break points to get the next percentage on patch day

Sounds not too bad. And makes things indeed alot easier to understand 'optimal' ME/TE.

However : i still find it incomprehensible that any company that is proud to be eco-friendly (well atleast your press-releases claim that , dares to limit reprocessing to 50% of the used materials. And that in a space game in future. Even in todays world some products get better reprocessing rates. A companies policies should be present in its products were possible.
You really should rethink this. The 'easy' solution is usually not the best one.


As for the conversion old BPO -> new BPO, people should be compensated for their time. Always respect the efforts of a player.
determine time spent on old BPO : T1
determine level of the new BPO : L1
determine hypthotical time spent on the new BPO to reach level L1 : T2
Bonus points : (T2 - T1) * factor (factor to be determined as something reasonable)

Bonus Researh points : to be used for 'instant' research on other (new) BPO's.
Even for the one who has everything, I still assume new BPO's will get added in the future for new things.
Perhaps even make the bonus points a tradeble object so they can cash in.

Again, great blog - thanks to the proof reader... still needs moar graphs and faction mods =P

The rebalance between reprocessing / wastage / "extra materials" will really pay off. Thanks for fixing this.

Can we get an indication of what the tiering or ranks will be for all categories of BP... as you say, Ammo will be rank 1 (so a three day research time for max ME). Rigs? Are all modules going to be rank 2? And how will this telescope for higher rank items that have lower component quantities (i.e. Caps - I'm guessing we'll be able to cut ME research at about level 4 or 5 to get perfect build costs, or are we really going to need to chase insanely long research times for the competitive edge?)

/Theo

Since you're trying to move Eve away from "build from original (BPO)" and more towards "build from copy (BPC)", can we have an increase in station copy facilities to be closer to on-par with station manufacturing facilities? Now it seems like there's 10x or more manufacturing facilities for every copy facility.

MDD

And so ends the cottage industry of creating high quality capital ship and capital component BPC's for resale.