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the over helpfulness of eve players
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Mirima Thurander
#1 - 2011-09-11 05:49:37 UTC
why is it everyone feels the need now days to post guides for EVERYTHING


what has happened to the days of guarding your knowledge so you keep the upper hand most of the time


i swear if CCP made secret that gave you uber god like powers if you warped to certain plaints in a solar system in a certain order there would be a guide on the forums on how to do it with in a week of someone finding out.




you don't need to tell everyone how to do everything.

there's no one forcing you to share info you find that makes you isks/has that uber fit.

so why would you do it.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Kesshisan
#2 - 2011-09-11 05:53:45 UTC
Because I like to help people.
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#3 - 2011-09-11 05:58:04 UTC
I don't care for fitting guides and all that mess; so I don't use them. If people want to post them, whatev. Half the time they're wrong, anyway.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Mirima Thurander
#4 - 2011-09-11 05:58:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirima Thurander
Kesshisan wrote:
Because I like to help people.



this is eve you don't help people you use there ignorance crush there souls till they ether learn it themselves or GTFO

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Kno Bodeesbitch
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-09-11 06:06:48 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
why is it everyone feels the need now days to post guides for EVERYTHING


what has happened to the days of guarding your knowledge so you keep the upper hand most of the time


i swear if CCP made secret that gave you uber god like powers if you warped to certain plaints in a solar system in a certain order there would be a guide on the forums on how to do it with in a week of someone finding out.




you don't need to tell everyone how to do everything.

there's no one forcing you to share info you find that makes you isks/has that uber fit.

so why would you do it.


I need someone to help me write a guide...is there a guide for that?

In other news,rumor has it that Mirima is going to be visited by three ghosts....
Mirima Thurander
#6 - 2011-09-11 06:09:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirima Thurander
i still don't see why people want to help there competition




you still have not convened me having a guide for ever part of the game is good for the game



Mission Guides makes missions easier - More LP items on markets - LP items worth less = BAD

Mining Guides - makes everyone know how to mine effectively - Min prices lowered = BAD

T3 production Guides -more people make T3s - T3s cheaper = BAD

Booster making Guides - more people make boosters - booster prices fall = BAD

Exploration Guides - More people doing exploration - Exploration over crowed = BAD

Fitting Guides - people fitting better - less fail fits to lol at in KMs = BAD

Moon mining Guides - More Moon competition = BAD



there's no up side to having MORE competition

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Nyio
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-09-11 06:34:43 UTC
Whining reactionary whiners whining on the forums = BAD

Golem • CCP In-Game Event 2011.11.23 • Nyio • Grenade?
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-09-11 06:34:45 UTC
One of the biggest complaints against eve is that it has a huge learning curve. Community guides help alleviate that, and that brings in more new players for us to scam. I mean play with.

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2011-09-11 06:44:52 UTC
people want to be e-famous.

they think writing a guide will achieve that.
malaire
#10 - 2011-09-11 06:50:51 UTC
The most important thing in EVE is to have fun Big smile

Helping others is fun to me. I often check local or Help-chat or forums and give help where I can. I sometimes give ISK to new players and occasionally I give real trading advice with examples of items I'm actually trading in, knowing that it will hurt my trading if someone follows the advice.

But it's fun to me, and I happily use ISK (or lose some potential profit) to have fun.

What other use there is for ISK, than fo have fun? Big smile

New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else
Kesshisan
#11 - 2011-09-11 07:04:22 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
this is eve you don't help people you use there ignorance crush there souls till they ether learn it themselves or GTFO


I use their laziness to my advantage. I'm an industrialist. I love it when people blow each other up; when that happens I see two potential customers.

Rule of acquisition #35: War is good for business.

And in order for there to be more customers, there needs to be more players. If I help keep more players in the game, I develop more customers. Customers who blow each other up and buy more of my ships. Therefore I help people and there are more customers in EvE.


Is that the much more selfish response you were looking for?
Mirima Thurander
#12 - 2011-09-11 14:26:40 UTC
Kesshisan wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
this is eve you don't help people you use there ignorance crush there souls till they ether learn it themselves or GTFO


I use their laziness to my advantage. I'm an industrialist. I love it when people blow each other up; when that happens I see two potential customers.

Rule of acquisition #35: War is good for business.

And in order for there to be more customers, there needs to be more players. If I help keep more players in the game, I develop more customers. Customers who blow each other up and buy more of my ships. Therefore I help people and there are more customers in EvE.


Is that the much more selfish response you were looking for?



^^
that's for building things

why would people want to write guides for things that clearly have a affect on there ability do do them when more people do it

as in exploration guides, and WH guides, listing WHs by class and difficultly , Scanning guides, and drug making guides

they all clearly add to your competition and you get nothing in return besides a warm fuzzy feeling, which should be crushed and locked away in the blackest pits of darkness and greed.


you would think of all the MMOs that EvE would be the one LEAST likely to have guides for everything, but nope there's Nothing left that doesn't have a guide written for it .

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
valerydarcy
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-09-11 14:46:48 UTC
Having played this game 'some' years there are players who I have remained friends with to this day- I can categorically say they are not people who have been unhelpful to me.

Like much of this game, you can draw a parallel to RL equivalents, you get helpful people and you get c*nts. I know who id rather be around.

Post with your main™
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-09-11 14:51:48 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:


you would think of all the MMOs that EvE would be the one LEAST likely to have guides for everything, but nope there's Nothing left that doesn't have a guide written for it .


Guides don't provide all the information.
Reading a guide gives you information that is already available just in a condensed version.
They are also written from the the creators perspective.

EVE is a situational game.
I have read a lot of guides that while technically correct, and do provide a very good starting point, they are hardly complete.
It is also interesting how things tend to left out of guides. (the good stuff that nobody talks about).
So the guides are just that a guide, they give players a starting point to find the other stuff that isn't on paper.




EVERYBODY KNOWS
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-09-11 15:28:28 UTC  |  Edited by: St Mio
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
people want to be e-famous.

they think writing a guide will achieve that.


Posting to confirm that writing guides made me e-famous and this is awesome Big smile
Jonni Favorite
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-09-11 15:33:05 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
i still don't see why people want to help there competition


This is a GAME about spaceships yo! Blink
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-09-11 15:36:12 UTC
How do I mine?
How do I activate the mining laser?
Why does a retriever not fit mining lasers?
Where do I find X ore?
Which is more valuable, refined or raw ore?
Is there anything that mines faster then X industrial?
ect. ect repeat ad nausem

Its like the whining of the OP, it doesn't end with the questions you have to answer for every newb just as the OP needs to somehow find a excuse to negate any reason for a guide. Well, one simple reason is...consolidated information --> Link Halda's mining guide, mention it is outdated but so is the entire mining profession and move on. BAM! Done, single source of information. And most guides just explain how do something at the basic level, they don't explain in XXX-rated explicit detail to buy X item low and move it to Y System to sell it exactly at Z price.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#18 - 2011-09-11 15:44:27 UTC
…because without them, we can't tell silly n00bs to rtfm and gb2wow. Blink
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#19 - 2011-09-11 15:53:27 UTC
Helping = This is good, and this is right.

If some one dosn't want he don't have to.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-09-11 16:05:09 UTC
I can easily think of several reasons, all in line with EVE:

1) You aren't a producer of said goods, you are a consumer and you WANT more competition.
2) Knowledge is a key resource for economic prosperity. By spreading such knowledge, you grease the economic wheels.
3) You are "getting out" of the profession, and no longer have any vested interest in keeping your information secret.
4) You are moving up the production line and want the components you used to build to be cheaper.
5) You want the market to grow, so it can support higher volumes.

Basically, it all boils down to you wanting someone else to do the work for you.
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