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Leonard Nimoy II
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-04-25 01:14:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Leonard Nimoy II
Tested out a bomber for the first time recently....and it seems to me they're broken lol

Others may agree or disagree, but wouldn't it be nice if bombers were re-balanced so as to make them more viable for solo combat? At the moment, unless you are able to work in a fleet, they're more or less useless for anything other than hunting haulers in w-space. It seems to me solo pvp has become a thing of the past because of game changes (which IMO takes a lot of fun out of the game), and needs to be looked at.

I'm not sure exactly what the balance would entail to make them more viable for solo combat, but I'm interested to hear what others have to say on the subject (it would have to be some modification that makes bombers more viable for solo, while not making them uber and unstoppable when used in groups in order to keep things balanced).
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-04-25 01:20:23 UTC
you pick off select targets in bombers. They are not AF's (or inty's). . The lack of versatility of the torps as a weapon is the tradeoff for the dps (and the range, you will notice even in range rigged BS's the range is night and day) they get.

Also what bomber are you flying and what is its fit.

Not saying it has to be hound but....it is arguably one of the better choices for solo work.
Leonard Nimoy II
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-04-25 01:24:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Leonard Nimoy II
Zan Shiro wrote:
Not saying it has to be hound but....it is arguably one of the better choices for solo work.


By select targets do you mean mining barges by chance lol

Mine is a Nemesis, which I'll definitely give you is by far the hardest to fit and the least viable for solo work lol - but that being said, a T2 ship that can't solo a t1 frigate or cruiser sized ship (and nothing much larger than that unless you're working in a fleet with other people) seems to me to need adjustment. I don't think you should require a fleet for pvp.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#4 - 2014-04-25 01:27:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Aquila Sagitta
Bombers are pretty useless solo unless you plan on attacking mjd-less drone-less solo bs. Don't even think about taking on anything with drone bonuses. And since the prevailing meta of interceptors and generally small fast stuff means that flying a bomber solo at this point in time is masochistic.

HOWEVER

Bombers are excellent in groups and if you have a blops to bridge you around with a central base of operations you can have lots of fun depending on how many cyno pilots you got Big smile

Edit: Just saw your second post. Don't fly the nemesis Period. Worst bomber by far. Hound or purifier are best solo bombers imo. Some may argue the manti is good solo but I very much dislike the slot layout and damage type.

Hound -> hunting armor tanked pve bs
Puri -> hunting shield tanked pve bs

ALWAYS fit medium shield extender to your bomber

Edit2: I have a maxed bomber pilot and there isn't much she can do solo in this meta. Now if i had like 2-4 maxed bomber friends we could kill all the things (700dps heated & explosion rad ~200)

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Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-04-25 01:33:39 UTC
Thats because they are not designed to kill small ships, by themselves. Yes they are designed around group work. If they excel at any solo work thats jut an extra bonus. Thats just how their role works.
CW Itovuo
The Executioners
Capital Punishment.
#6 - 2014-04-25 05:53:12 UTC
Leonard Nimoy II wrote:
Tested out a bomber for the first time recently....and it seems to me they're broken lol

Others may agree or disagree, but wouldn't it be nice if bombers were re-balanced so as to make them more viable for solo combat? At the moment, unless you are able to work in a fleet, they're more or less useless for anything other than hunting haulers in w-space. It seems to me solo pvp has become a thing of the past because of game changes (which IMO takes a lot of fun out of the game), and needs to be looked at..



I recently had the need to put a nail in the wall.


I grabbed my new-to-me plumbers wrench and proceeded to pound the aforementioned nail.


I pounded the hell out of that nail, and unfortunately, put a fist sized hole in the wall.


Wrenchs are teribad and uber-broken.


Please fix all wrenches.
Sigras
Conglomo
#7 - 2014-04-25 05:58:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Sigras
Leonard Nimoy II wrote:
Zan Shiro wrote:
Not saying it has to be hound but....it is arguably one of the better choices for solo work.


By select targets do you mean mining barges by chance lol

Mine is a Nemesis, which I'll definitely give you is by far the hardest to fit and the least viable for solo work lol - but that being said, a T2 ship that can't solo a t1 frigate or cruiser sized ship (and nothing much larger than that unless you're working in a fleet with other people) seems to me to need adjustment. I don't think you should require a fleet for pvp.

you dont require a fleet for PvP, just fly another ship...

By this logic you should also complain that logistics ships cannot solo other T1 cruisers. Ships have roles for a reason.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-04-25 07:05:59 UTC
just a cry on the forums
no particular reasons stated
no arguments
I dont see that anything is broken.

therefore : No.

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Willmahh
#9 - 2014-04-25 17:09:27 UTC
Leonard Nimoy II wrote:
Tested out a bomber for the first time recently....and it seems to me they're broken lol


You try to use a ship designed for fleet work in solo pvp and then claim it broken....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juFZh92MUOY

"My Eyes! the goggles do nothing!"

Every ship has a role, you used this one in the wrong role.

That leads me to conclude that it is not the ship that is broken.

Maybe now you should try solo pvp in a helios, or perhaps a hulk?
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#10 - 2014-04-25 18:28:01 UTC
Unfortunately, I have to agree that bombers are not as good for solo work as they used to be. They will still wtfbbqpwn Nagas, Oracles, Tornadoes, industrials, and the occasional BC/BS with weak drone skills.

Also, I regret to inform OP that the Nemesis is the worst bomber as far as fitting goes. At least the Manticore can use its 4th midslot.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#11 - 2014-04-25 18:50:18 UTC
Leonard Nimoy II wrote:
Zan Shiro wrote:
Not saying it has to be hound but....it is arguably one of the better choices for solo work.


By select targets do you mean mining barges by chance lol

Mine is a Nemesis, which I'll definitely give you is by far the hardest to fit and the least viable for solo work lol - but that being said, a T2 ship that can't solo a t1 frigate or cruiser sized ship (and nothing much larger than that unless you're working in a fleet with other people) seems to me to need adjustment. I don't think you should require a fleet for pvp.


See, you are doing it wrong. Torpedos are a BS sized weapon. If you want to kill frigates, fit rocket launchers!!!! Yes, fishing fit rocket launching bombers aren't very good at killing frigates either, but that's because your using the wrong ship for the job. Bombers can solo most many ships larger than a cruiser, but not necessarily easily. It helps if you can hit something's resist hole. Soloing with bombers is about target selection and patience. That doesn't mean the ship is unbalanced or broken.
Leonard Nimoy II
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-04-25 20:27:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Leonard Nimoy II
EDIT: Nvm, feel free to disregard this topic then. It seemed reasonable to me that pvp shouldn't require fleets as much as it does and that bombers might be more fun if they were viable for solo but apparently not.
Willmahh
#13 - 2014-04-25 20:31:52 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Unfortunately, I have to agree that bombers are not as good for solo work as they used to be. They will still wtfbbqpwn Nagas, Oracles, Tornadoes, industrials, and the occasional BC/BS with weak drone skills.

Also, I regret to inform OP that the Nemesis is the worst bomber as far as fitting goes. At least the Manticore can use its 4th midslot.


The nemesis fits very well unless you're actually onlining the bomb launcher which is useless unless you're in NULL...
Grayland Aubaris
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-04-26 11:22:03 UTC
They should just give them back the ability to fire cruise missiles.
Willmahh
#15 - 2014-04-26 14:23:32 UTC
Grayland Aubaris wrote:
They should just give them back the ability to fire cruise missiles.


stealth Bombers were useless and probably the least used ship in game until they were switched to torpedoes. Now they are very effective in the role they are designed for.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-04-26 18:30:43 UTC
Leonard Nimoy II wrote:
Tested out a bomber for the first time recently....and it seems to me they're broken lol

Others may agree or disagree, but wouldn't it be nice if bombers were re-balanced so as to make them more viable for solo combat? At the moment, unless you are able to work in a fleet, they're more or less useless for anything other than hunting haulers in w-space. It seems to me solo pvp has become a thing of the past because of game changes (which IMO takes a lot of fun out of the game), and needs to be looked at.

I'm not sure exactly what the balance would entail to make them more viable for solo combat, but I'm interested to hear what others have to say on the subject (it would have to be some modification that makes bombers more viable for solo, while not making them uber and unstoppable when used in groups in order to keep things balanced).

lol, I'm sorry for laughing.. but didn't they nerf bombers sometime back to make them less viable for solo combat?

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Grayland Aubaris
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-04-26 18:31:37 UTC
Willmahh wrote:
Grayland Aubaris wrote:
They should just give them back the ability to fire cruise missiles.


stealth Bombers were useless and probably the least used ship in game until they were switched to torpedoes. Now they are very effective in the role they are designed for.


I thought they could fire both? Or am I mis-remebering that?
Leonard Nimoy II
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-04-27 04:15:13 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:

lol, I'm sorry for laughing.. but didn't they nerf bombers sometime back to make them less viable for solo combat?


lol I'm not sure, did they? I've played eve less than a year, so if it was longer than 12 months ago it happened before I started here.

However if they did, I think it was a mistake =P but other people don't seem to think so.
Willmahh
#19 - 2014-05-14 20:22:30 UTC
Grayland Aubaris wrote:
Willmahh wrote:
Grayland Aubaris wrote:
They should just give them back the ability to fire cruise missiles.


stealth Bombers were useless and probably the least used ship in game until they were switched to torpedoes. Now they are very effective in the role they are designed for.


I thought they could fire both? Or am I mis-remebering that?


torpedoes & cruise missiles are a BS class weapon.

SBs get the 99% reduction to powergrid for torpedoes only. this allows stealth bombers able to fit them.

This reduction was once applied to cruise missiles, then was changed to torpedoes.
Willmahh
#20 - 2014-05-14 20:31:39 UTC
and FYI the change was made back in late 2008 - early 2009
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