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Dev Blog: Giving Drones an Assist

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Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#841 - 2014-04-16 21:00:29 UTC
Ace Northmen wrote:
So i have trained Scout drone operation and combat drone operation to level 5

And now those who have trained Scout drone operation to 5 and never bothered to inject combat drone operation which is 11 days from lvl 1 to 5 , will get the same skills as me . Straight

that's not fair , people investing time in training both skills are the same as people who never bothered to inject 1 skill will get the same skills . Straight


That is not what it says. The two new skills are Light and Medium Combat Drones. Both of these will be derived from the current Combat Drone Operation skill. If someone didn't train Combat Drone Operation prior to the change, they won't magically have the new skills afterwards. If they had it at 3, then they will get those two skills at 3 afterwards.

Scout Drone Operation is merely being renamed to Drone Avionics.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Ace Northmen
Sanctuary Reapers Holdings
#842 - 2014-04-16 21:40:59 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Ace Northmen wrote:
So i have trained Scout drone operation and combat drone operation to level 5

And now those who have trained Scout drone operation to 5 and never bothered to inject combat drone operation which is 11 days from lvl 1 to 5 , will get the same skills as me . Straight

that's not fair , people investing time in training both skills are the same as people who never bothered to inject 1 skill will get the same skills . Straight


That is not what it says. The two new skills are Light and Medium Combat Drones. Both of these will be derived from the current Combat Drone Operation skill. If someone didn't train Combat Drone Operation prior to the change, they won't magically have the new skills afterwards. If they had it at 3, then they will get those two skills at 3 afterwards.

Scout Drone Operation is merely being renamed to Drone Avionics.


have you read this ?


CCP Fozzie wrote:
Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.

As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.

The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.




Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#843 - 2014-04-17 00:38:42 UTC
what about mining drones?
will they benefit from new skills?

How the Drone Interfacing change will affect them?
The Tallman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#844 - 2014-04-17 04:48:40 UTC
Here is an idea for drones. Could you make it possible to assign groups of drones to a button system like guns and other modules are. So instead of having them in folders like your right clicking in windows 2.0 for just what ever drones are in that folder, make buttons you can assign any combination of drones in the bay to for deployment, attack and return....

I mean it's space ships, why are we still doing it this way?
Dana Goodeye
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#845 - 2014-04-17 05:11:07 UTC
to be honest, im only a 4 months old eve player, most of the things i don unersand yet, but i have to agree with two opinions.
once, i like drones. and i use only gal, and minnie drones, for dps or speed. i never bothered by the cald or amarr drones.
second, i have booth skills at lvl 5. i mean scout drone operation, and combat drone operation. if i would have only one of them on lvl 5, and the other one on lvl 0 , i will have the same skills at the same level. it means, im losing skilling time, ccp will stole it -.-
i think booth problems should be solved.
sorry for my english, i speak it badly :/
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#846 - 2014-04-17 17:26:05 UTC
mining drones ? :P
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#847 - 2014-04-18 00:06:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Xe'Cara'eos
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.

As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.

The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.


could this please be stated in the blog - I've just reread it twice, and found no mention of skill ranks, or that scout drone operation will feature......

For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.

Pix Severus
Empty You
#848 - 2014-04-18 00:45:28 UTC
Xe'Cara'eos wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.

As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.

The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.


could this please be stated in the blog - I've just reread it twice, and found no mention of skill ranks, or that scout drone operation will feature......


I would like further clarification on this too.

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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#849 - 2014-04-18 01:12:33 UTC
Could somebody work out what the 20 days for 2% additional damage from Gallente Drone Specialization 4 to 5 will add up to for Gardes.

I think all specialization skills should be worth more the higher you train. So for Drone Specialization as you train the skill to 5, the benefit increases accordingly. As it is now lvl 1 takes 24 mins and gives 2% bonus, lvl 5 takes 20 days but still only adds an additional 2%.

Drone specializations could work like -
Level 1, unlocks the T2 drone (light, medium, heavy and sentry)
Level 2, gives a 2% damage increase
Level 3, adds and additional 3% damage
Level 4, adds 5% damage
Level 5, doubles the 5% from level 4, to end up with a total of 10% damage increase at lvl 5 as it is now but the 20 days training gives the most benefit.

Unlocks for T2 drones would need pre-requisites of lvl 5 in class.
So to use T2 heavy drones you would need Heavy Drone Operation 5 and Specialization 1.
T2 sentry drones would require, Sentry Drone Operation 5 and specialization 1.

This would actually reduce training times to get T2 drones (a little bit) but also give specializing to 5 more of an incentive for maximum damage.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#850 - 2014-04-18 08:18:15 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Could somebody work out what the 20 days for 2% additional damage from Gallente Drone Specialization 4 to 5 will add up to for Gardes.

I think all specialization skills should be worth more the higher you train. So for Drone Specialization as you train the skill to 5, the benefit increases accordingly. As it is now lvl 1 takes 24 mins and gives 2% bonus, lvl 5 takes 20 days but still only adds an additional 2%.

Drone specializations could work like -
Level 1, unlocks the T2 drone (light, medium, heavy and sentry)
Level 2, gives a 2% damage increase
Level 3, adds and additional 3% damage
Level 4, adds 5% damage
Level 5, doubles the 5% from level 4, to end up with a total of 10% damage increase at lvl 5 as it is now but the 20 days training gives the most benefit.

Unlocks for T2 drones would need pre-requisites of lvl 5 in class.
So to use T2 heavy drones you would need Heavy Drone Operation 5 and Specialization 1.
T2 sentry drones would require, Sentry Drone Operation 5 and specialization 1.

This would actually reduce training times to get T2 drones (a little bit) but also give specializing to 5 more of an incentive for maximum damage.


the unlocks will now be as you have described.....
however - the whole of EVE works on a diminishing returns scheme, so specialisations are not going to change - because they are SPECIALISATION. If you specialise in using gallente drones - it very likely becomes worth it to train gallente drone spec V because the 2% increase is worth the time sink, personally - not worth it for me, so I'll train up drone specs to III, maybe IV until I start training all sorts of specialisations to V

For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.

Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#851 - 2014-04-18 19:05:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Soldarius
Ace Northmen wrote:


have you read this ?


CCP Fozzie wrote:
Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.

As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.

The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.



Oh, my. I do not recall reading that. Doesn't mean I didn't. Just means my memory is doing its typical thing. In either case, it needs to be featured prominently on the front page.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

ArmEagle Kusoni
Knights of Nii
The 20 Minuters
#852 - 2014-04-19 08:59:38 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.

As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.

The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.


So, technically that means one doesn't need Combat Drone Operation trained at all. But I kind of doubt that's the case.
Ace Northmen
Sanctuary Reapers Holdings
#853 - 2014-04-19 21:54:32 UTC
ArmEagle Kusoni wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.

As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.

The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.


So, technically that means one doesn't need Combat Drone Operation trained at all. But I kind of doubt that's the case.


true what that means is you don't need to have combat drone operation at all , which is a bad thing for those who have it trained to V
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#854 - 2014-04-20 10:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Nevermind, think I found it.
Rikki Bigg
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#855 - 2014-04-20 15:11:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Rikki Bigg
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.

As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.

The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.


Can we get some clarification on this point, as the original Dev Blog has no reference to Scout Drone Operation other than it being renamed Drone Avionics...?

Currently the 'free skillpoints' from training Combat Drone Operation (x2) and obtaining Light Drone Operation (x1) as well as Medium Drone Operation (x2) are quite minimal, and not worth training cross map (or even on map for a newer player) and I have been trying to explain to folks that is is not nearly the bonus that Destroyers or Battlecruisers were.

But if instead you get access to Light/Medium Drone Operation from solely Scout Drone Operation (x1) a skill that is universally good for any drones, I will tell each and every new player to train Scout Drone Operation to V immediately.

This seems like an oversight, or just a gift to every doctrine Sentry Drone pilot that never bothered to train anything else.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#856 - 2014-04-21 13:08:50 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
One more quick update before I go home. I'll do another more comprehensive pass on the thread tomorrow.

For the racial Drone Specialization skill requirements, we're going to be reducing the requirements for all T2 drones to level 1 of the skill.

That means for example Gallente Drone Spec level 1 will unlock Hobgoblin IIs, Hammerhead IIs, Ogre IIs, and Garde IIs (assuming you have the requisite T1 drone skills at level 5). This brings the drone spec skills more in line with the rest of our T2 weapon specialization skills. Training the skill beyond level 1 will still be advisable in order to get the extra damage boost, of course.


Can we get a clear image on what is needed to field T2 sentries after the patch?

At the moment it's:
Primary: Sentry Drone Interfacing V
Secondary: Drones I

WIll it be:
Primary: (Racial) Drone Specialization I
Secondary: Sentry Drone Interfacing V
Tertiary: Drones I?
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#857 - 2014-04-21 19:23:40 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
One more quick update before I go home. I'll do another more comprehensive pass on the thread tomorrow.

For the racial Drone Specialization skill requirements, we're going to be reducing the requirements for all T2 drones to level 1 of the skill.

That means for example Gallente Drone Spec level 1 will unlock Hobgoblin IIs, Hammerhead IIs, Ogre IIs, and Garde IIs (assuming you have the requisite T1 drone skills at level 5). This brings the drone spec skills more in line with the rest of our T2 weapon specialization skills. Training the skill beyond level 1 will still be advisable in order to get the extra damage boost, of course.


Can we get a clear image on what is needed to field T2 sentries after the patch?

At the moment it's:
Primary: Sentry Drone Interfacing V
Secondary: Drones I

WIll it be:
Primary: (Racial) Drone Specialization I
Secondary: Sentry Drone Interfacing V
Tertiary: Drones I?

You will need sentry 5 and racial drone spec 1. Anything else is kinda redundant since SDI already requires drones V.

Adrie Atticus wrote:
Can we get some clarification on this point, as the original Dev Blog has no reference to Scout Drone Operation other than it being renamed Drone Avionics...?

Currently the 'free skillpoints' from training Combat Drone Operation (x2) and obtaining Light Drone Operation (x1) as well as Medium Drone Operation (x2) are quite minimal, and not worth training cross map (or even on map for a newer player) and I have been trying to explain to folks that is is not nearly the bonus that Destroyers or Battlecruisers were.

But if instead you get access to Light/Medium Drone Operation from solely Scout Drone Operation (x1) a skill that is universally good for any drones, I will tell each and every new player to train Scout Drone Operation to V immediately.

This seems like an oversight, or just a gift to every doctrine Sentry Drone pilot that never bothered to train anything else.
It was a clarification brought about afterwards and takes precedent over the blog. Reason for the change being if one had for example Combat drone op 4, Scout drone op 5 and all racial drone specs at 2, they had access to all light and medium T2 drones, but after the change they wouldn't as those unlocks would be migrating to the skills split from combat drone op.

So in the nature of if you could use it before you can use it after, the new skills which were originally coming from Combat drone op are now cloning the higher od SDO or CDO. That being the case if you have SDO V there isn't much point training CDO.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#858 - 2014-04-21 20:23:54 UTC
Xe'Cara'eos wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Could somebody work out what the 20 days for 2% additional damage from Gallente Drone Specialization 4 to 5 will add up to for Gardes.

I think all specialization skills should be worth more the higher you train. So for Drone Specialization as you train the skill to 5, the benefit increases accordingly. As it is now lvl 1 takes 24 mins and gives 2% bonus, lvl 5 takes 20 days but still only adds an additional 2%.

Drone specializations could work like -
Level 1, unlocks the T2 drone (light, medium, heavy and sentry)
Level 2, gives a 2% damage increase
Level 3, adds and additional 3% damage
Level 4, adds 5% damage
Level 5, doubles the 5% from level 4, to end up with a total of 10% damage increase at lvl 5 as it is now but the 20 days training gives the most benefit.

Unlocks for T2 drones would need pre-requisites of lvl 5 in class.
So to use T2 heavy drones you would need Heavy Drone Operation 5 and Specialization 1.
T2 sentry drones would require, Sentry Drone Operation 5 and specialization 1.

This would actually reduce training times to get T2 drones (a little bit) but also give specializing to 5 more of an incentive for maximum damage.


the unlocks will now be as you have described.....
however - the whole of EVE works on a diminishing returns scheme, so specialisations are not going to change - because they are SPECIALISATION. If you specialise in using gallente drones - it very likely becomes worth it to train gallente drone spec V because the 2% increase is worth the time sink, personally - not worth it for me, so I'll train up drone specs to III, maybe IV until I start training all sorts of specialisations to V

And there in lies my issue. Right now I have maxed sentry drone skills for all 4 factions. Post patch I will have less than perfect skills for Gardes and Bouncers due to drone specializations only being at 4 and even worse for Wardens and Curators which both specializations are at 2 and 3 respectively.
This equates to an additional 80+ days of training to get 'back' to where I am currently.
I rarely use heavy drones and don't see this changing post update, so this change significantly marrs my ability to use both my Ishtar and more so with the Super Drone creation my Rattlesnake.

Oh and for those who would say- Just train them up, I already have over 7 mil SP in drones and don't feel I should LOSE the benefit from what I already have trained because CCP wants to change things.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Fr3akwave
Mercury Arms Inc.
#859 - 2014-04-22 19:12:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Fr3akwave
CCP Fozzie wrote:
As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.

So since i have been bringing my drone skills up to all 5 in the past months, you are now telling me that training combat drone operation V was 100% waste of time because i would have gotten it anyway? Thank you very much.

The only reason those people suggested that is "Can i haz free SP, i have scout drone op V but not combat drone op V". I also don't understand this decision in relation to the bonus of the skills. Scout drone op and combat drone op are completely different bonuses and a drone range bonus is used as a base for rebalancing a drone damage skill? What's gonna be next? Getting a free turret DPS skill because you have trained a locking range one that sounds remotely similar?

I also recommended training combat drone op V to friends who then did it after the blog was first released without following this threadnaught...
CCP Fozzie wrote:
We're announcing this change early so that players have plenty of time to train the skills before the patch.

Guess it is not a good idea to follow those "early" announcements too quickly... things apparently might turn out to be a loss for you.

Also i believe that this is worth an edit in the original blog post if that has not happened yet, since more and more people will fall for it. EDIT: And indeed there is no warning about it yet. Wasted skillpoints ftw.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#860 - 2014-04-22 19:16:10 UTC
As CCP already has a Team "Game of Thrones", as seen here:

CCP Phantom wrote:
With Rubicon 1.1, to be deployed on Tuesday, Jan 28, we will introduce amongst other things the new Sisters of EVE battleship, the Nestor. Team "Game of Drones" worked also on UI improvements such as adding "Traits" to the ship "Show info" window which will show skill bonus applied to the ship in a similar fashion as the ISIS.


I really take offense that this blog isnĀ“t named "A Dance with Drones".

Just saying!

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