Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You only need one corp, ever. Really. I've got JCs dotted about the place and in only one do I have standings. Sure standings would be more convenient but...you know, it's not a huge deal.

Stein Backstabber, how long did it take you to get 8.0+ standings with the npc corp to allow you to install Jump Clones ?

I see you only have 2 members in your corporation, this means the average standing for that one npc corp is done relatively "convenient".

CCP could make it so "convenient" that anyone can install Jump Clones in all of empire all the time without any difficulty

Why do you think you're entitled to jump clones without putting ANY work in? You want some clones? Here's how to get them without grinding any standings yourself:

1. Join Estel Arador's Corp.
2. Join a corp with access to a nullsec outpost
3. Find a friend with (or someone willing to sell you the use of) a Rorqual/Mothership/Titan.
4. Pay someone to grind the standings for you.

Until a reasonable alternative is suggested it should stay as is. The general rule is that things should be accessible by the three primary currencies in Eve(Isk/Effort/Friends). Clones can be gotten by any of the three.

But no, you are doing it wrong! It's evil NPC grind and lots of work for too little gains! You need to have everything easier, faster and readier so that you can start right away with the game you want to lose at. Doing missions to do PVP in different places? How dare CCP stick to that mechanic! You only need to do PVP and get all the tools for PVP ready without any other part or mechanic of EVE involved! Have you got the message now?

@ Chaotix Morwen and Rivr Luzade;

To install Jump Clones in 0.5-1.0 system across empire space requires perhaps to much time and effort to a larger part of the community, and CCP could opt for a more static gameplay where new players and the current playerbase who like it to be easier just push-button-receive-bacon

By removing faction standing requirements to anchor POS in empire, CCP shows a willingness towards this philosophy.

Especially when it impedes the open world pvp gameplay to a larger part of the community, Jump Clones will be easier accessible across space.

Because everything that is playerdriven is going to be abused and exploited. Because clone bays belong to NPC Factions in Empire and if you want to dump your lump of meat in their bays, you do what they want you to do. Because Some grind does not hurt. Because you also see other things from the game than just exploding ships. Because you also realize that it takes effort to gain something.

Shall I continue?

I don't give a damn about what you think; if you don't like it, join 00 sec and you get your JCs with no effort. Actually, having this 8.0 Standing Requirement is a driving force to push players out of High sec. If you take that away, more people stay in high sec and CCP continues with its chaotic plan to introduce changes to push people out of High sec and make them stay in High sec at the same time. That's just dense.

What about a tag mechanic? You can turn in tags to improve sec or run the datacentre missions for faction standings. Maybe a similar scheme for specific corporation standings. There's no reason for newer players to be priced out of a mechanic like this either, the tags could drop on regular missions.

This just looks like a bit of a rant regarding the removal of standings for POS though rather than a proper suggestion. Going forward they can either gradually remove the relevance of standings or find some new, meaningful rewards to attach to them. I'd prefer the latter really.

none of those reasons hold water. everything player driven is exploited? clone bays belong to players as well the 8.0 standing doesnt drive anyone anywhere, players use other corps or just grind standings some grind doesnt hurt, big whoop, it does f-all to add to the game either changing the mechanic doesnt remove effort

should i go on?




yeah, also no sense here.

changing the mechanic to something else does not remove effort when u dnt even know what the replacement mechanic will be. thats just silly . im not advocating a Push button->get JC. and suggesting i am is a strawman argument. This goes doubly when u are both saying 'oh its so easy to get a JC' 'i grinded in a day, cause im amazing' so clearly its the current system that is favoring instant gratification types.

work together towards a goal? like u did when u grinded for a day to get ur personal standing up. Or maybe ur referring to joining someone elses corp for less than 24 hours to get a JC. great team effort there. Or was it when players join fleet, dock up and let others run missions for them. No, attaching it to a POS or other player system encourages players working together more than a standings grind ever will.

at no point did i ask for an effortless instant gratification system. Learn2read. ur whine at the rorqual isnt a good point either. There is no good position in arguing that it may make an already broken and barely used ship even more broken and unused. i mean come on! As if the saving grace for the rorqual would be its jump clones. seriously.



there is a scarecrow factory's worth of strawman here lol. thats just freaking hilarious. 10/10 drama queen. If the speakers in ur car break, do u drive ur car off a cliff with similar sentiments to those ive quoted?

the arguments provided actually help show that there really is no good reason to tie it to a standings grind beyond the ones originally stated by CCP, which was that its purposefully meant for null-seccers. if u want another chance at a rebuttal, why don't u answer my questions from before? Why does a miner/trader/explorer need to grind through the mechanics of another career to get something that is useful to all professions?

On the "So" part: EVE has already gotten a lot easier over the years, this doesn't need to be removed to make it even easier.

On the other parts: Apart form the NPC Bounty Hunters (which are likely going to cause you a nice flame flood), I like those suggestions. Iirc Guns already shoot people, who are in opposing FW factions, and if you are below -5 Faction standing, you get hunted by NPC police forces. And that is what this suggestion, as an example, wants to remove.