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standings characters are still worth the most as traders. a 5 million SP trade character with high faction standings is worth a billion ISK per million SP (easy)... 5 billion ISK for a potentially brand-spanking-new character. besides, using a standings character to pump out a 150 million ISK corporation at an ideal rate of 4/month for a yield of 600 million ISK [which barely covers a PLEX and has for some time] is bad anyway.


i'm just saying that you have a very broad outlook and deep understanding of these changes, like most people in this thread... but you're forgetting how this opens up gameplay to players who will appreciate merely having the option. for example, before and after these changes, how much industry gameplay is available to a new player who's just finished their tutorials.

thank you for acknowledging my comment (no facetiousness). I admit mine is a dumb guess, because the only thing i've ever produced from a blueprint is a hookbill. like two months ago. it was kind of exciting, actually.

This is correct.

BTW, I wasn't kidding earlier in the thread -- if these changes incense any of you and you're planning on divesting yourselves of high-standings characters with 9.0+ in Caldari State standings, please contact me privately and sell me your character.

You can't possibly be that ignorant about import/export costs. Do you have any idea how much it costs to move that many (or any realistic amount) of DCIIs from nulsec to hisec? Do you have any idea where the materials for T2 modules come from? Do you realize that every T2 module in the game is made from all of the base moon goos, which are themselves only available in certain regions?

Even CFC members have to go to Jita if they want to build anything T2 simply because that is the only place where you can get everything you need. The vast majority of moon goo is imported from nul to Jita, sold on the market, and the proceeds used to buy everything else. That is then imported back out to nulsec, another jf run, and put into a POS farm and reacted. Those products are then sent back up to hisec for sale.

All of these costs are added to the market price, simply because CCP thinks that moon goo reactions should only be able to be done in 0.3 or lower sec status systems.

Dinsdale, if you want to blame someone for the state of industry, look no further than CCP. They set the rules, not "nulsec cartels". You want cheaper T2? You could for example lobby the CSM and CCP for moon mining in hisec. The removal of POS anchoring restrictions in .8 and higher systems is the first step. They might actually think about it now.

this is a good point and should probably happen don't know why anyone ever thought that mineral modifier was a good idea

Hopefully so they can change other sinks already in game?


I would love to see clone costs be a big one time upgrade for more SP retention, then just say 100,000 isk per podding.

Really help promote PvP with veteran players and new bro's alike.


Also if they make implants something they are going to have us make in the future then that is another sink they would have to replace.

I think this is a good question that mostly needs the other 4 blogs for first.

This person... show signs of intelligence. The two changes go hand-in-hand. Well done for figuring it out.

Direct Dev Question:

Will you be releasing any of the other blogs on industry prior to fanfest? If so, what are the release dates?

Will you answer any more questions posed in the comments section prior to fanfest? It's been awfully quiet since #947 Posted: 2014.04.16 15:56

Is this current blog with the "wait and see" approach it employs merely a teaser designed to force us to purchase live streams to fanfest if we are unable to travel? This smacks of baiting.

Standard definition fanfest stream is free. Only the HD stream costs money.

You could also just, y'know, wait patiently for the other blogs.

in the past three years or so I've seen a trend of the CCP devs moving away from customer focused development and towards a forced predetermined play style. I can't help but think that this has something to do with taking on venture capital.

With each expansion it seem I keep reading dev blogs that say something along the lines of " so we noticed that players are doing XY and Z but we want them to do AB and C so here is our plan to force them to play their game our way"

I guess with regards to this specific situation however I do have to recognize that you have been trying to destroy trade hubs since the game began.

This is an MMO and you seem to be trying to get players to not want to group up near each other. I'm not really sure what part of massive multiplayer you don't understand but this is a game of interactions with other players. It's also an industrial simulation and in the real world industry tends to group up together in tight clusters called cities where you have easy cheap access to everything you need.

You are trying to force players to do more stuff in low and null sec which means more moving **** around which not only means more expensive ships and mods and such but more game time spent manually jumping freighters long distances or moving expensive jump freighters around. I may not have met everyone that plays this game but in all the people that I've played with I have yet to meet one that enjoys jumping around and freighters are the worst and have only been made worse in recent years by new warp mechanics.

This summer industry expansion seem to be shaping up to make ships more expensive while decreasing the potential revenue from PvE activities for players with lower skill points meaning the ones who get more isk per hour from looting and salvaging than speed running. This mean on the whole the average player will more likely than not need to spend more time PvEing to be able to afford to loose ships PvPing

So log your data CCP devs and let me know in a few months if I am right. I'd love to see a dev blog when the winter expansion comes out comparing time spent PvEing and jumping crap around and time spent PvPing now versus then. I'm sure you guys have ways to figure out how much isk the average player can make per hour at a given task and compare that to ship prices and come up with some kind of index that gives a general feel for how many hours need to be spent to earn fully fit frig or BS or what ever.

In my previous list of activities that I feel this expansion will increase I left out high sec PoS bashing. As we all know throwing **** at towers in sub caps for hours on end is everyone's favorite activity.