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Wait, what?!
So what is my incentive to pay 300 000 000 isk a month for fuel if i still have to pay for production slots????

That would be a scam not an opportunity cost. If its so easy to sell them for the "cash" opportunity cost how many do you have up for sale atm?

There isn't really much point in arguing over what an opportunity cost is or isn't. It's factual. The word means what the word means. You pretending it doesn't has no effect on that. Words don't work that way.

If the T2 BPOs have a value on the open market, which they provably do, then there is an opportunity cost associated with owning them.

Manufacturing from a T2 BPO yields a return on that investment. But that return is small, often less than 1% per month.

It is a trivial task to find a dozen easy ways to generate more than 1% per month on a large amount of isk.

The reason why most people hold T2 BPOs is because their value has tended to increase over time, so they are speculating on future prices. That is the part of the T2 BPO that many cherish and that is exactly the part of the T2 BPO that has no negative effect on invention.

T2 BPOs currently sell for around 5-10 years of production profit.

Sure, it's capex without depreciation (possibly even increasing in value), but it's not, currently, a particularly good investment. It's just a low effort one.


The reduction of copy times could be a concern for T2 invention, if the T2 BPO copy times are reduced too far. Right now, you can't produce from a T2 BPO in parallel by using copies. So the volume is gated by the number of blueprints.

The scale of the reduction is the important part. As we don't know this, there's not much of a coherent argument, one way or another. Just time for raising of concerns. Not argument over those concerns.

There's a set demand for T2 goods (yes, it varies a bit. I'm simplifying, but not over-simplifying. Reduction in cost would stimulate demand, but this doesn't mean it would then push costs back up to a viable level). If the T2 BPO supply volume is increased significantly (say, each copy only takes a second. Exaggerated for effect), then invention could be squeezed to the point it's not worth it. (See current low volume markets for what happens when T2 BPOs can fulfil the supply.)


Extra materials being removed could be a concern, if extra materials are just pushed into basic materials, and thus affected by ME, if there are no other changes. ME -4 doubles material requirements. So a blueprint requiring a ship (or, say, a 425mm Railgun I), would then require 2, unless a decryptor is used to adjust this. This would massively impact the viability of invention, compared to BPOs.

I'd hope this hasn't gone unnoticed.

Its not more profitable to copy and manufacture by yourself. Either you copy for sale or produce from original.

Copy time as it is currently for t2 bpo is waaay longer than production, so in time it takes you to make enough copies to produce with all yohr slot capabilities you would produ e more one slot at a time

That UI mock-up is nice! I think the cost scaling is a great idea. An industry update has been needed! Really looking forward to this summer.

Exactly this. I just mentioned this a page back and it went unanswered and unnoticed.

This is one of the biggest change as it will have a dramatic affect on the material cost of many invention items. The only reason I can think people wouldn't be discussing this is because the ones who have noticed are busy buying up the T2 items which are going to be massively affected by this.

ME -4 which is the standard T2 BPC you get from an invention job will be unviable in the new system for many T2 items as it will double the extra material requirement.

In the end it would balance out if supply from T2 BPOs remains constant. Although it means that T2 items in general will increase in price. And T2 BPO holders will be able to make more profit by manufacturing from them.

This could entice more T2 BPO holders to start using them for manufacturing though instead of just as an investment.

The mechanic I used to get my T2 BPOs is available to everyone, right now. Even to someone like you.

I even gave you clear, step by step instructions.

I think you got your arithmetic slightly wrong there Steve.

ME -4 gives 50% waste, not 100%, so it doesn't double the materials required.

To use your specific requirement, you would then need 1.5 of the T1 item, which gets rounded to 1 doesn't it? (I have it in my head that decimals are always rounded down, but I could be wrong about that)

Best of luck with the CSM vote BTW.

The fact is that it's not unfair. It is available to anyone who wants to (stupidly) throw their money at such a low-ROI investment.

Moreover, any advantage BPOs offer can be countered by the many advantages invention offer. Like Akita T said, it offers an advantage, but that does not mean that the advantage is insurmountable or unfair or in any way out of whack with what other advantages you can buy yourself. The fact is that among the many advantages available to industrialists, it's a pretty bad one to have on the scale of things.