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Caldari Navy Manhunt - Event Details, Prize Breakdown & Claim Criteria

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flakeys
Doomheim
#201 - 2014-04-15 21:30:20 UTC
CCP Logibro wrote:
I'm pretty sure you need to be in system when the killmail is generated, and have attacked the target within the last x minutes (I think it's 15 minutes from memory, but I'm going to go confirm with a programmer and some testing on Sisi) before the killmail is generated to be on the killmail.



Then that's probably it , we engaged it immediatly when it came in but then where warping around trying not to get evryone killed in a 1 minute timespan . Blink


Thanks for clearing that up .

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#202 - 2014-04-15 21:31:54 UTC
Darkblad wrote:
World News wrote:
The final blow on Inikas's Chimera was Numator, top damage was DarklordKarn, [...] DarklordKarn was the most damaging battleship

Wasn't there something about top damage position excludes from getting individual ship class top damage prizes? Not that it matters much, as 00tricky ...


Yes, that's correct. Someone else will get the battleship damage prize.

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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#203 - 2014-04-15 22:04:23 UTC
My latest publishment on todays manhunt: Provists Uehuma Inikas and Arano Kokkara fall at Okagaiken

While PL had the system in lockdown, I like to point out that despite the PL dominance (more then in Akkio!) other groups managed to nab their shares of the PLEX bounties. Mainly Gorgons managed to grab some for their own and even a small 6 man fleet managed to get a PLEX bounty for themselves! In short, a case of: stop complaining PL claims all, go out and do something about it!

Timing & having balls is crucial to claim your PLEX prize in a field dominated by PL however. So not for those who want it easy.

All in all, the organized fleets claimed the PLEX prizes in this event.

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
#204 - 2014-04-15 22:14:57 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
In short, a case of: stop complaining PL claims all, go out and do something about it!

No, we like complaining. We want free/easy no risk PLEX. Big smile

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#205 - 2014-04-15 22:23:27 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
In short, a case of: stop complaining PL claims all, go out and do something about it!

No, we like complaining. We want free/easy no risk PLEX. Big smile

No, we don't want stupidly high levels of prizes for live events that make it profitable for PL even if they loose every single ship in their fleet as long as they get the prize. Todays event, over 50 BILLION! in plex prizes.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
#206 - 2014-04-15 22:28:50 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
In short, a case of: stop complaining PL claims all, go out and do something about it!

No, we like complaining. We want free/easy no risk PLEX. Big smile

No, we don't want stupidly high levels of prizes for live events that make it profitable for PL even if they loose every single ship in their fleet as long as they get the prize. Todays event, over 50 BILLION! in plex prizes.

Joke, man. It was a joke. And 50 billion isn't that much.... Wait, isn't that roughly the amount it costs to build a Titan?

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#207 - 2014-04-15 23:16:24 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
No, we don't want stupidly high levels of prizes for live events that make it profitable for PL even if they loose every single ship in their fleet as long as they get the prize. Todays event, over 50 BILLION! in plex prizes.


I think you overestimate how much ISK 50 billion is.

Pandemic Legion lost over four trillion in B-R.

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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#208 - 2014-04-16 00:02:45 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
My latest publishment on todays manhunt: Provists Uehuma Inikas and Arano Kokkara fall at Okagaiken

While PL had the system in lockdown, I like to point out that despite the PL dominance (more then in Akkio!) other groups managed to nab their shares of the PLEX bounties. Mainly Gorgons managed to grab some for their own and even a small 6 man fleet managed to get a PLEX bounty for themselves! In short, a case of: stop complaining PL claims all, go out and do something about it!

Timing & having balls is crucial to claim your PLEX prize in a field dominated by PL however. So not for those who want it easy.

All in all, the organized fleets claimed the PLEX prizes in this event.

I have never read one of your blogs before and my interest peaked by your seemly naive attitude in your forum post.
Interest waned quickly from here
Quote:
Many capsuleers, including yours truly got caught offguard
There is nothing "offguard" about knowing something is going to happen.
Try - many including yours truly were caught in the trap we thought may be there going on experience from the last event.

I had to laugh at the "stop complaining and do something about it".. Best laugh I've had in a time. If a 100 man fleet of PL, Goons or any of the other major alliances decides they are going to "run" an event, there is no way even 1000 highsec players is going to stop them. You will as shown have small groups able to succeed in nabbing some of the prize pool but overall, victory goes to the well organised, dominating force.
Now, had Goons bridged in a fleet capable of engaging PL instead of the Harpy fleet the whole event could have become something to remember. Instead it was a gank fest that will be forgotten quickly, with PL able to add to funds for a new Titan to replace another of those lost in B-R. Next stage of the event should see them hit the mark and start building; Come on Goons, do you really want to just -"give"- PL another titan?


Well done Gorgon Empire;
While I take my hat off to the Gorgon Empire gang, I am curious as to whether the bounty will at least cover the cost of losses. If nothing else you guys have given PL strategists a headache, they now have to work out a counter to make sure it doesn't happen again

- A little over 1000 in system, 527 kills, over 90% of which are destroyers or frigates. It seems those willing to "risk all" to attend these events are wising up and only taking cheap throw away ships.
Sort of says - Why bother trying, we know the outcome but will go to watch it happen.

NB; CCP if you want to run events in lowsec and have them at least "seem" to be something worth attending. Cyno jams, stop the well organised alliances simply dominating the field by titan bridging. I have no problem with PL, Goons, BL or any of the other major alliances attending the events but for goodness sake don't hand it to them on a plate.
They want to attend, let them fly in by gates, the same way everyone else has to get there. Leveling the playing field; if a group from highsec get into the system 1st and camp gates, make it so the big organised fleets have to risk something by having to jump through a gate to engage them not just use a titan to ensure best outcome.

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Starain
SoT
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#209 - 2014-04-16 01:47:52 UTC
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#210 - 2014-04-16 02:10:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Elise Randolph
Sgt Ocker wrote:

Now, had Goons bridged in a fleet capable of engaging PL instead of the Harpy fleet the whole event could have become something to remember. Instead it was a gank fest that will be forgotten quickly, with PL able to add to funds for a new Titan to replace another of those lost in B-R. Next stage of the event should see them hit the mark and start building; Come on Goons, do you really want to just -"give"- PL another titan?


- A little over 1000 in system, 527 kills, over 90% of which are destroyers or frigates. It seems those willing to "risk all" to attend these events are wising up and only taking cheap throw away ships.
Sort of says - Why bother trying, we know the outcome but will go to watch it happen.

NB; CCP if you want to run events in lowsec and have them at least "seem" to be something worth attending. Cyno jams, stop the well organised alliances simply dominating the field by titan bridging. I have no problem with PL, Goons, BL or any of the other major alliances attending the events but for goodness sake don't hand it to them on a plate.
They want to attend, let them fly in by gates, the same way everyone else has to get there. Leveling the playing field; if a group from highsec get into the system 1st and camp gates, make it so the big organised fleets have to risk something by having to jump through a gate to engage them not just use a titan to ensure best outcome.



Yo let's real-talk here because you're a bit ill-informed, or just making **** up in hopes fewer people show up to the events so you have a better chance of getting that sweet sweet prize money.


PL has a history of showing up to Eve events regardless of the prize-pool. The last event in lowsec had a reward of a flag flying on CCP HQ, and we won that one pretty handily. Nobody in PL gives a **** about the PLEX, it's not a lot of money and the individuals that happen to win prizes just keep it for themselves. Brothers of Tangra, our renting alliance - the largest such alliance in Eve, rakes in of 2 Trillion isk a month. This event would equate to about three days of rental income.

If we wanted to win the PLEX prize, we'd show up with each class of ship to score damage, then cyno in supers to clear the caps off field in about 20 seconds. The event would be over after about 2 minutes, and local would probably get to about 150. That is obviously not the case, as the PL fleet (which was able to clear the field several times) never tried to kill the caps until the caps obviously turned off their hardeners and stopped repping. I imagine they probably wanted to go home.

Titan bridges. We live in BPK - some SEVEN titan bridges away from Okagaiken. I think CFC had to take 5 gates to get to Okagaiken and maybe 10 to Akkio. Nobody who showed up, not a single person, took Titan bridges. So you can scream "titan bridges" until your face turns blue, but it didn't happen (and it's actually really inefficient to take titan bridges across several regions, sorry to ruin the talking point).

At the end of the day we put 10 billion isk worth of ships on the field, supported by 9 logistics, and invited neutrals into our fleet so long as they followed our hilarious RP angle of saving the outlaw pilots. One of the neutrals actually scooped the corpse and seemingly had a jolly good time, and another one joined fleet and tried to tackle me for some reason. The rest were mostly in destroyers, interceptors, or stealth bombers that didn't do much of anything.

If you're a lone dude traveling to lowsec by yourself hoping to win 40 PLEX solo, then I've got some bad news for you. If you want to play the "boohoo PL are meanies" card, then that's fine but at least have the decency to come up with /good/ lies to spread.


#PRAZED
#PROVIST VICTOR

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Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#211 - 2014-04-16 02:22:06 UTC
CCP Logibro wrote:


Yes really.

Also, the Chimera had no damage on the killmail from any battlecruisers, so that prize will go unclaimed.


So just to confirm the prizes are awarded from damage on the killmail, and not what the ships may have done that disappeared from the mails? My Astarte met a rather untimely death in that case.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#212 - 2014-04-16 03:36:08 UTC
Elise Randolph wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:

Now, had Goons bridged in a fleet capable of engaging PL instead of the Harpy fleet the whole event could have become something to remember. Instead it was a gank fest that will be forgotten quickly, with PL able to add to funds for a new Titan to replace another of those lost in B-R. Next stage of the event should see them hit the mark and start building; Come on Goons, do you really want to just -"give"- PL another titan?


- A little over 1000 in system, 527 kills, over 90% of which are destroyers or frigates. It seems those willing to "risk all" to attend these events are wising up and only taking cheap throw away ships.
Sort of says - Why bother trying, we know the outcome but will go to watch it happen.

NB; CCP if you want to run events in lowsec and have them at least "seem" to be something worth attending. Cyno jams, stop the well organised alliances simply dominating the field by titan bridging. I have no problem with PL, Goons, BL or any of the other major alliances attending the events but for goodness sake don't hand it to them on a plate.
They want to attend, let them fly in by gates, the same way everyone else has to get there. Leveling the playing field; if a group from highsec get into the system 1st and camp gates, make it so the big organised fleets have to risk something by having to jump through a gate to engage them not just use a titan to ensure best outcome.



Yo let's real-talk here because you're a bit ill-informed, or just making **** up in hopes fewer people show up to the events so you have a better chance of getting that sweet sweet prize money.


PL has a history of showing up to Eve events regardless of the prize-pool. The last event in lowsec had a reward of a flag flying on CCP HQ, and we won that one pretty handily. Nobody in PL gives a **** about the PLEX, it's not a lot of money and the individuals that happen to win prizes just keep it for themselves. Brothers of Tangra, our renting alliance - the largest such alliance in Eve, rakes in of 2 Trillion isk a month. This event would equate to about three days of rental income.

If we wanted to win the PLEX prize, we'd show up with each class of ship to score damage, then cyno in supers to clear the caps off field in about 20 seconds. The event would be over after about 2 minutes, and local would probably get to about 150. That is obviously not the case, as the PL fleet (which was able to clear the field several times) never tried to kill the caps until the caps obviously turned off their hardeners and stopped repping. I imagine they probably wanted to go home.

Titan bridges. We live in BPK - some SEVEN titan bridges away from Okagaiken. I think CFC had to take 5 gates to get to Okagaiken and maybe 10 to Akkio. Nobody who showed up, not a single person, took Titan bridges. So you can scream "titan bridges" until your face turns blue, but it didn't happen (and it's actually really inefficient to take titan bridges across several regions, sorry to ruin the talking point).

At the end of the day we put 10 billion isk worth of ships on the field, supported by 9 logistics, and invited neutrals into our fleet so long as they followed our hilarious RP angle of saving the outlaw pilots. One of the neutrals actually scooped the corpse and seemingly had a jolly good time, and another one joined fleet and tried to tackle me for some reason. The rest were mostly in destroyers, interceptors, or stealth bombers that didn't do much of anything.

If you're a lone dude traveling to lowsec by yourself hoping to win 40 PLEX solo, then I've got some bad news for you. If you want to play the "boohoo PL are meanies" card, then that's fine but at least have the decency to come up with /good/ lies to spread.


#PRAZED
#PROVIST VICTOR

As expected a member of PL completely took out of context what was said but that's ok.. Didn't expect anything less.

My point was, nobody is in a position to compete with PL or Goons or the like, EXCEPT PL, Goons and the like.

95% of the ships in system were destroyers or smaller, so yes simply the fact PL decided to turn in a pimp battleship fleet to scoop as many killmails (forget the plex, PL don't "need" it. But as shown will take it so no-one else can) as possible is not at all a surprise.
Difference here is, to an outsider it seems, PL turned up chasing bounties, Goons turned up chasing killmails.

PL boasting about their ability to dominate an event to have a flag flying outside CCP vs primarily disorganized highsec players.. Really??

The PL are meanies card?? LOL you really don't want to go outside, those flimsy tickets will blow away.

Attendance numbers would seem to confirm - people are not as interested in lowsec events as CCP would hope.
If the current format of lowsec events remains the same, before long, PL could well end up on the field alone.

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  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

mkint
#213 - 2014-04-16 03:41:59 UTC
For people complaining that only nullbears could get the rewards: duh. Did you not see that going in? Do you not pay attention to how these things go? Every last live event since they started back up a few years ago has been the same. people get excited out of sheer stupid optimism -> people show up just to be a part of the thing -> everybody who actually might be interested in what's happening gets wiped out within minutes -> people realize that even showing up was a waste of time. It's not worth showing up. Obviously. Even the least stupid of the live events have been disasters. EVE never ever ever has been about the butterfly effect. It's always been about the sledgehammer effect. You, as an individual, are meaningless, unless you can get together 3,000 of your best friends to back you up.

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Eurotrash
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#214 - 2014-04-16 08:24:04 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Attendance numbers would seem to confirm - people are not as interested in lowsec events as CCP would hope.

With over 1000 pilots in local for an hour, the stats you yourself quoted would beg to differ.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#215 - 2014-04-16 11:43:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Sgt Ocker
Lucas Quaan wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Attendance numbers would seem to confirm - people are not as interested in lowsec events as CCP would hope.

With over 1000 pilots in local for an hour, the stats you yourself quoted would beg to differ.

System peaked at just over 1000 - killboards updated to over 600 confirmed kills (in less than 15 mins) - average in space for the event was nowhere near 1000.
And certainly not 1000 pilots in system for 1 hour, unless you count wrecks in the total as pilots.


Look at numbers between the last few "events" - for this, numbers have declined, greatly.
Previous events saw an across the board mix of ships of all classes, the primary ships in this event, T1 frigate or destroyer, with a smattering of T2 hulls.


Out of curiosity, are any of the remaining portions of this even likely to be in empire space or is it a better option to just stop watching twitter now and forget it. Really not worth getting up at 4am to further pad some nulbears killboard..

Event orgainsers; I think you have seen lowsec events are little more than a chance for killmails for nulbears, so unless your plan is to prop up nulsec killboards it might be time to take another tack.

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It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#216 - 2014-04-16 13:31:56 UTC
Destoya wrote:
CCP Logibro wrote:


Yes really.

Also, the Chimera had no damage on the killmail from any battlecruisers, so that prize will go unclaimed.


So just to confirm the prizes are awarded from damage on the killmail, and not what the ships may have done that disappeared from the mails? My Astarte met a rather untimely death in that case.


Yes, from the killmail. It looks like you switched ships in this case, so you showed up as an Apocalypse Navy Issue.

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#217 - 2014-04-16 13:36:48 UTC
Made a mistake on the top BS damage for the Chimera on the last event. I've fixed the news article and have the proper winner listed now.

As for the problem of the top damage with a ship type, we are indeed using what shows up on the KM. It'd be really hard to check it otherwise. I didn't even consider that someone would die, swap ship types, and would have otherwise reached top damage on a kill, but I don't think there's anything we can do to change that at this point.

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Lucas Quaan
Eurotrash
Blue Eyes and Exodia Toon Duelist Kingdom Duelers
#218 - 2014-04-16 13:40:48 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Lucas Quaan wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Attendance numbers would seem to confirm - people are not as interested in lowsec events as CCP would hope.

With over 1000 pilots in local for an hour, the stats you yourself quoted would beg to differ.

System peaked at just over 1000 - killboards updated to over 600 confirmed kills (in less than 15 mins) - average in space for the event was nowhere near 1000.
And certainly not 1000 pilots in system for 1 hour, unless you count wrecks in the total as pilots.

So you're saying there were even more pilots who came to this event in total, say 1500? Got it. That's certainly more than made it to the high-sec round before that one was over. Sounds like a pretty good turnout to me.
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#219 - 2014-04-16 18:35:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Sgt Ocker wrote:

Interest waned quickly from here
Quote:
Many capsuleers, including yours truly got caught offguard
There is nothing "offguard" about knowing something is going to happen.
Try - many including yours truly were caught in the trap we thought may be there going on experience from the last event.


I took this criticism and made the line a bit more clear in the report. The 'being caught offguard' line refered to the speed & scale at which the lockdown happened. That PL would be there & doing their best dominating the field was a given and I (and many others) were prepared for that, just not the speed & scale.

The rest I leave to others to comment on Cool

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Lejandra Sikestor
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#220 - 2014-04-16 19:24:57 UTC
CCP Logibro wrote:


Yes, from the killmail. It looks like you switched ships in this case, so you showed up as an Apocalypse Navy Issue.


And if the ship was completely absent from the killmail? This char did at least 100k damage in a Fleet Typhoon to Uehuma Inikias (enough to get the top battleship prize), but for some reason the killmail didnt even show me shooting it. Can support this with logs, and I'm sure the actor flying the Chimera can confirm this as well.