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Don't feel bad, apparently 95% of the people posting in this thread either missed or misinterpreted that part of the Blog as well.

I would point out that they never said that it would be quicker to make BPC's AND build the item than it is right now... only that the BPC creation part would be quicker.

It's highly likely that it will still take longer to make the BPC and then produce from it than it will takes to build straight from a BPO now.

I point this out as it should allay some of the fear's people have about production rates from T2 BPO's.

No one is going to put expensive BPOs in a low/null POS.

And with the inability to lockdown, corp theft is a real issue

So, the real con is the hassle of having to set up an alt corp, run a high sec large POS to do research and crank out BPCs. Then add the BPCs to regularly scheduled jump freighter runs.

Unnecessary grind with no game play value.



You cannot make us play stupid. You can only make us change our play style with unnecessary grind!


They need to reverse the decision to let you have the BPO in station. The change is NOT going to produce the intended game play risk/reward, and will only create pointless grind.

What's wrong is that you read too much into it — specifically, I'm not talking about demand at all. I'm saying that if BPO holders produce slightly more and inventors produce the same as ever, the difference in supply will be so small as to not have any appreciable effect.

As luck would have it, there is an increase in risk that goes along with it if they want to really make full use of that increased output potential.


Pretty much this. The BPC step introduces a delay that you have to pay if you don't want to put your BPOs at risk. With the way EVE players work, I'm going to flat out state that this delay will be universal. I'd also guess that what it means is that the total production time for any given BPO→full product process will be maybe 180% of what it currently is. So if you produce all your components and end products in series, the time from raw materials to final product will be immense; if you produce in parallel and properly stagger your copy/production queues, it'll just be as much longer as it takes to copy your “largest” BPO.

Copy slot congestion fees and research-capable characters will be the new bottleneck for industry. Coincidentally, this could potentially also make a number of science skills far more valuable to take to lvl V than they were before…

I'll grant you that theoretically, there "could" come a time where we can output bpcs fast enough in our production cycle to consider selling off some extra copies... but with the risk of putting the production bpc into a starbase during production, having a stockpile of comps, extra bpcs and such just "in case" will probably be taken care of first. I don't really see this as a worthwhile concern for you. The security of the production chain is infinitely more important than short term profits found in selling bpcs off.

Hey look at it this way if 3/4 of the T2 BPO's die in an pool of napalm CCP will do another lottery so new players have a chance getting into that market.

I don't think you HAVE to put your BPCs into production at starbase. You currently can do it remotely, as do I with my bpcs at station. That goes away for both of us. But if you can now copy (just pulling some numbers) at the double rate than you can manufacture, you can increase your production output by just coping them on station and building them on station from those copies.
At the end of the day you may end up with more output than possible from manufacturing in station. Maybe it is less than producing remote on POS currently. And if you are currently producing at a pos, every material is already at risk. If you add a BPCs there that won't change that values much.

There are quite a few.

Right now, NPC null holds nearly 1000 copy slots and 2000 each of ME, PE, and invention.
It's still ⅓ behind lowsec and a third of what highsec has to offer, but there is a higher concentration in those few NPC systems.

Actually, to get a better picture of it in terms that will matter for the post-patch system:

NPC null: 970 copy slots and 10,400 manufacturing slots over 144 systems (6.7 / 72 per system).
Lowsec: 1,479 copy slots and 28,741 manufacturing slots over 306 systems (4.8 / 93 per system).
Highsec: 2,890 copy slots and 68,050 manufacturing slots over 650 systems (4.4 / 105 per system).

ME, PE, and invention slots are consistently 2× higher than the number of copy slots, since they come as a group.

why is there a tab called teams? multiple people working on one BP?

"In a last blog, CCP Soniclover will introduce the concept of teams, which are the workforce used for industry jobs in the new system."

that should answer your question

T2 BPOs will not go to a POS. Even if they did, CCP would not bring back lottery, but they would finally be able to fix invention.





With unlimited slots, it is the price of those slots that will skyrocket (based on the new variable price based on demand). This will move production back to POS, but not with BPOs. With BPCs cranekd out from high sec, alt corps.