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Caldari Navy Manhunt - Event Details, Prize Breakdown & Claim Criteria

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#161 - 2014-04-14 18:49:47 UTC
To further put the plex rewards in proportion. Assuming the T2 Fitting on everything. 15 Chimera + Wyvern = Somewhere in the vicinity of 60 Billion. (I note CCP snuck Meta cap mods in worth about 120-130mil each on their fitting also).
This means that for the rewards being offered they could have bought TEN TIMES the ships they are hunting down.

Really. Stuff like this just ends up looking biased when the rewards are that far out of scale with the value being discussed. Why bother hunting them down, just buy new ships with the plex instead and have a vastly superior fleet as a result.
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#162 - 2014-04-14 19:10:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
The rewards are very high and seemingly out of bound. But got to keep two things in mind. RP wise it's the Caldari Navy having enough of the Provist tainting their image (they were heavily infiltrated by them during Heth's rule, and were one of the provist powerhouses)
This bounty is not about profitability, or recouping losses. It's about making a statement: *Betray the Caldari Navy, and you'll get chased to the ends of the universe, no planet, no station, no ship or organisation, nowhere will be safe for those who betray us!*

Second, the Caldari Navy owns Jita 4-4, and so can lay claim on the (substantional ) income from trade-taxes. That's one hell of a passive income for the Navy, can surely fund some outrageous stuff!

Also, the finalized report on todays Provist manhunt: Dragonaur Tsatei Uppas meets his end at Samanuni

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology

Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#163 - 2014-04-14 20:47:04 UTC
For the next events the PL fleets will be open to those who wish to save the outlaws. You're responsible for getting into the system yourself, though, wherever it may be. Also we're going to be flying all Shield Vindicators to help better synergize with the Ravens and Chimeras, so if you want to receive the reps then you'll be expected to bring some shield ships. If the fleet maxes out, we will not form a second fleet but instead give priority to those in a racially-proper ship.

Just like the first event, we will not be be killing the Carrier until he wishes to die. If your objective is to farm the PLEX rewards, you're out of luck. If you want to enjoy the event for as long as possible, then you've found the right place.


PROVIST VICTOR

~

Thatt Guy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#164 - 2014-04-14 22:08:04 UTC
Elise Randolph wrote:
Join our fleet so we can watch you go suspect, then not rep you "for the lolz"


FTFY

Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll.

Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#165 - 2014-04-15 00:26:12 UTC
Thatt Guy wrote:
Elise Randolph wrote:
Join our fleet so we can watch you go suspect, then not rep you "for the lolz"


FTFY


People aren't getting flagged in highsec, and in lowsec it doesnt matter. You don't have to come if you don't want to - no need to make nonsensical excuses for everyone else v0v

~

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#166 - 2014-04-15 00:56:49 UTC
Elise Randolph wrote:


People aren't getting flagged in highsec, and in lowsec it doesnt matter. You don't have to come if you don't want to - no need to make nonsensical excuses for everyone else v0v

Actually Logi get flagged in highsec due to the agro mechanics even if they have already started a limited engagement with the same targets. So Logi pilots might as well not turn up to any of the highsec events unless they are turning up en mass (Ala a null bloc fleet since no-one else gets Logi en mass). Since they will be shot by everyone on grid pretty much.
It's sad when Low sec is actually safer for logi in an event than high sec.
alphastarpilot
Doomheim
#167 - 2014-04-15 03:10:10 UTC
You know all you people complaining about PL winning all the prizes, why don't you form a massive fleet of people in a cohesive doctrine with a competent FC and actually fight them for it. Sounds way more fun than complaining about if on the forums. And even if you lose to them at least you tried. Better than warping a kitchen sink gang into their fleet and wondering why you got owned.

Seriously I hope some people have the balls to do this. It would make the next lowsec events much more fun.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#168 - 2014-04-15 03:14:34 UTC
alphastarpilot wrote:
You know all you people complaining about PL winning all the prizes, why don't you form a massive fleet of people in a cohesive doctrine with a competent FC and actually fight them for it. Sounds way more fun than complaining about if on the forums. And even if you lose to them at least you tried. Better than warping a kitchen sink gang into their fleet and wondering why you got owned.

Seriously I hope some people have the balls to do this. It would make the next lowsec events much more fun.

It's almost like the null entities have built up a life of their own which simply makes them unmatchable. Every major null entity that has gone down in the last five years has gone down to internal sabotage. Or 'bugs' which look very much like internal sabotage to the rest of us.

However if you bother reading the complaints it is not about PL 'winning'. It is about CCP setting up a massive prize pool in an environment where it's well known that one of the existing super powers will game the system to ensure they get the lions share of the prize pool, in a total departure from their previous live events policy of not giving rewards on live events.

The prize pool here is far larger than the time they spawned officer mod dropping NPC's, that one agency grabbed. And the same thing is happening again. A massive prize pool set up in such a way that the system can be gamed. And you are surprised people are upset over the fact it's gameable and that only the existing super powers have the capacity to game it?
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#169 - 2014-04-15 04:16:57 UTC
How is having a big fleet gaming the system? Its like saying that turning up with a bigger gun in war is cheating! Your allowed to have fleets in this game and is in no way gaming anything. Even if we just allocate prizes randomly to all in system during the time, that will still be 90% to a big alliance. Join them if its such an unfair advantage.

One of the current biggest alliances in the game only started like a year ago. There are pilots, there is will.. But no your not going to solo a big event. Ever. Even if there are no prizes whatsoever.

So please just stay docked and spin your ships. While the rest of us have a blast.

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#170 - 2014-04-15 05:09:52 UTC
Oh seriously this again? I've talked to alot of people concerning the event, and honestly what happens so far lies within expectations. Any time a Live Event is announced with a time in advance (and lowsec) one of the nullblocs dominates it.

It's not because they game the system, but simply because they have the manpower, organisation & experience to organize & maintain a fleet in an aggressive environment. Either you can be bitter that a more organized force wins, or you can see & find a way to overcome them. It's not impossible, it happened before but to overcome them, you need numbers and a core fleet that's organized.

Last bit, of all the nullsec powers, I'm glad it's PL intervening, at least they do some light consistent RP (even tho their intentions of claiming all PLEX is tight there from the bat, they at least spin it with *Oh no! I lost control over the fleet!*) They also keep the smacktalk & gloating to a minimum, keeps it fun for all involved.

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#171 - 2014-04-15 05:23:30 UTC
Oh look, another person who fails to read.
It's not about PL winning.

It's about CCP breaking from standard and creating a massive payout in a system that obviously can be gamed.
What if instead of PLEX these were T2 BPO's being given out.
In an environment that everyone knows one of the big powers is going to get it.
Then it 'happens' to be conveniently near their territory...

Is this starting to ring any bells with people?

Now sure it may not be any kind of conspiracy. But it's yet another terrible judgement by CCP surrounding live events. Even if the event itself is working mostly well this time, it's still a tainted event because of the massive volume of the prize package.
They quite simply did not need to give rewards on this scale. Especially when they have been against rewards in the past, and specifically talked about the need to keep rewards for live events small when discussion has previously come up.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#172 - 2014-04-15 06:00:05 UTC
So they should keep these events in highsec? Because if they put it anywhere in null it's going to "happen" to be near a nullsec power. Better PL then Goons I guess.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

GizzyBoy
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#173 - 2014-04-15 06:51:14 UTC
Falcon you need better npc fleet composition

one of your navy scorps should fit some nos and tackle, and they should try and co-ordinate there targets more.

also mem cells are the way to go now on logi carriers

the hs ones kinda of get a bit werid because i assume the scorps can only engage the people who take a timer. for fear of concordoken?

Perhaps you can make a CCP deployable module that makes everyone that lands in a specific grid / bubble suspect?
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2014-04-15 07:09:51 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
So they should keep these events in highsec? Because if they put it anywhere in null it's going to "happen" to be near a nullsec power. Better PL then Goons I guess.

not really.

Life Event should be slightly different:
1) targets should be small and fast to kill ships. Let them be expensive if you want but small and fast to kill - no need to form big fleets
2) make search for target wider - not 1 system but the whole region. Again: there will be no real purpose for big fleets here, just real MANHUNT

Just storyline idea from by butt:
Some meany secret agent have stolen something really secret and bad (like super-puper unisex underwear). This presents big threat to all of us so we need to kill him.
1 week of rumor mongering where this agent went and what is he planning to do with this underwear.
And after this week all we got that 'he is planning to meet with some consumer at some celestial (asteroid belts included) in region XXXX'. Go find and kill!

VIOLA! Many people can go and hunt him. And there will be no real reason to make big organized fleets.

Make this special item always droppable (no chance to be destroyed) and put some mark on person who has it in cargohold. And you get real party for everyone involved.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#175 - 2014-04-15 09:27:02 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
So they should keep these events in highsec? Because if they put it anywhere in null it's going to "happen" to be near a nullsec power. Better PL then Goons I guess.

Nothing wrong with it happening in low or null, as long as there isn't some massive reward for said entity to game.

Most people would have still turned up with literally no reward on the line. A small reward isn't out of order either. It's the magnitude. CCP put 500 Billion on offer for this...... that's enough to buy the ships they are dropping for the event at least five times over, even if we include all the sub caps they are deploying since they are T2 fit. If that was more like 5 Billion total reward, then I wouldn't have a single issue. If someone wants to game an event risking 10 billion worth of Navy Battleships for maybe 750 Million reward, sure let them. But when it's 30+ Billion they are potentially gaining in reward for a single deployment, that's different.
flakeys
Doomheim
#176 - 2014-04-15 09:37:23 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Thatt Guy wrote:
Please just hand all rewards to PL and save everyone's time.

TWICE now there were fleets in system when the announcement went out.

Isn't it funny how the same people win stuff from CCP all the time?

Just admit it, hand them the stuff and move on.

T20 would be happy to help.


The 2nd one was a highsec event and i can assure you i did not see the PL presence the low-sec one had.

Also the PL guy who snatched the pod is a guy i have seen roaming in low-sec SOLO mostly so it probably has more to do with him being smart enough to fit something that has a really fast lock and once he shot the carrier one time exclude everything from the overview except pods.This way he would have a verry high chance of getting the pod first.At least that would be how i'd do it.

Also since it was high-sec you could also say it would be unfair as e-uni or RvB has a huge presence there so could easily walk off with the prizes.

But then why use logic when you can just generalise.


I do agree on the part that the rewards are too high but on the other hand i couldn't care less about it .It is what it is and not like the amount will shift any 'balance' in the game.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Eurynome Mangeiri
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#177 - 2014-04-15 12:41:24 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Thatt Guy wrote:
Please just hand all rewards to PL and save everyone's time.

TWICE now there were fleets in system when the announcement went out.

Isn't it funny how the same people win stuff from CCP all the time?

Just admit it, hand them the stuff and move on.

T20 would be happy to help.


The 2nd one was a highsec event and i can assure you i did not see the PL presence the low-sec one had.

Also the PL guy who snatched the pod is a guy i have seen roaming in low-sec SOLO mostly so it probably has more to do with him being smart enough to fit something that has a really fast lock and once he shot the carrier one time exclude everything from the overview except pods.This way he would have a verry high chance of getting the pod first.At least that would be how i'd do it.

Also since it was high-sec you could also say it would be unfair as e-uni or RvB has a huge presence there so could easily walk off with the prizes.

But then why use logic when you can just generalise.


I do agree on the part that the rewards are too high but on the other hand i couldn't care less about it .It is what it is and not like the amount will shift any 'balance' in the game.

the difference between the hig and low event was that it was guaranteed it would be a specific entity who would grab ALL the prizes.

look at what they did:
1- hold the field and kill everyone else
2- once field clear, kill the tgt and snatch every position for the various rewards

this is not possible in high, because unless CCP flags everyone, you CAN't clear the field because concord.

meaning ANYONE as a change to fullfill any place in the reward distribution

the lowsec event was "we will give 500B to a major bloc", it happen it was PL, but that's not the issue.

also i red that PL fleets were in position BEFORE the location was made public, how is this even possible if true?

my opinion: CCP rigged the even to handoff PL ton of ISK, call me whatever you want, but to me, there is no need to look too far, this is pretty clear picture
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#178 - 2014-04-15 12:45:33 UTC
I want bigger prizes. 20 titans for final blow! (+ SP to fly them all to lvl 5)

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.

milku Hinken
Connections in Trade
Disaster Strikes
#179 - 2014-04-15 16:38:44 UTC
sorry stupid question, kinda new
is there any chance if i shoot at the carrier that i can get shot at by other people in the system?
Thanks
flakeys
Doomheim
#180 - 2014-04-15 16:56:00 UTC
milku Hinken wrote:
sorry stupid question, kinda new
is there any chance if i shoot at the carrier that i can get shot at by other people in the system?
Thanks



If it's lowsec then anyone can and will shoot everyone.

If you don't feel like loosing your ship and possibly your pod then don't go to the low-sec events.



We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.