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An Announcement On The Future Of The World Of Darkness Project

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#61 - 2014-04-14 17:19:17 UTC
Morphisat wrote:
Lephia DeGrande wrote:
Alim Omaristos wrote:
Please replace CCP Falcon. Lying to people losing their jobs, and the community is not something someone in his position should be doing. I mean you're already laying people off may as well get some one who failed the basic parts of his job.


Isn't that practically the real deal of an Community Manager? Lol


Ah was just about to post that, and you beat me to it ! Not really CCP Falcon's fault, he gets orders from the Man.


Falcon does indeed get all his talking points on this issue from upper management.
He is clearly a middleman on this particular topic.

So why not have one of the c-suite guys in CCP actually answer these questions as opposed to Falcon emailing them and waiting for the official response that he then posts?
Mixu Paatelainen
Eve Refinery
#62 - 2014-04-14 17:20:15 UTC
The teenagers who were into Twilight who were the intended cash cow when this started grew up and moved on.

Sucks for those who lost their jobs.
Ryunosuke Kusanagi
#63 - 2014-04-14 17:20:35 UTC
so any idea if these resources will be redistributed to finishing Incarna? Big smile
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#64 - 2014-04-14 17:23:20 UTC
Thead Enco wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
[ctrl+c, ctrl+v]

This is disappointing. Genuinely disappointing. After the video and tools we saw at Fanfest last years, this is a sad moment.

Hopefully it's only a temporary mothballing rather than a full-fledge binning of the dream. I still believe that CCP can make a WoD MMO happen, even if it's not going to happen yet.

In my opinion, focusing on only a single IP is a risky move: all the eggs are back in a single basket now, and I don't think that's sensible for a company that wants to grow. Even if the IP in question is a successful and growing one like EVE, things change, and diversity is a hedge against the unexpected.

It would be nice to know WHY the project had to be shelved, though. Were the challenges technical, artistic, financial? And what can the community do to try and bring our vampires back from the dead?


8+yrs. of work and not a single beta released. And you have to ask why? What invester do you know would commit in those circumstances....


The fact that it spent eight years in development before being shelved is not its own explanation. The fact that A happened does not explain the reason WHY A happened.

My one consistent gripe with CCP is that they don't reach out to the community on projects like this, and don't keep us in the loop enough. Not because I personally find it frustrating, but because I find the rumour-mill and armchair expertise that results deeply, DEEPLY irritating.

People are going to form opinions about these projects anyway: they may as well be informed opinions rather than baseless ones, and when projects run into trouble, maybe the community will be able to come up with the answer that might save the day.

More transparency means more enthusiasm and more crowdsourced ideas. There's a balance to strike, obviously, but I suspect one contributing factor may have been that they were so focussed on bringing us a polished version of the initial concept: pride should have been swallowed, an announcement to the effect of "we've overextended ourselves here... here's our features list. Which are the top five you'd REALLY like to see make it into the first release?"

It's understandable, but I hope it's a lesson that can be learned - a community this big and fanatical is a breeding ground for ideas, and the more we're mined, the less things like this should happen.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Plug in Baby
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2014-04-14 17:23:49 UTC
Alim Omaristos wrote:
Please replace CCP Falcon. Lying to people losing their jobs, and the community is not something someone in his position should be doing. I mean you're already laying people off may as well get some one who failed the basic parts of his job.


Yeah just find someone honest who deals with community professionally from CCP to replace him... Big smile. I'm pretty sure lying forms a main part of his job, don't blame CCP's poor handling of the community on one person, because that is just unfair.

So with WoD down, and Dust with not much longer to go we pin all our hopes on Valkyrie for most of our sub money not being thrown away for the last few years.

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#66 - 2014-04-14 17:25:31 UTC
EVE is dying, DUST is dying....

I'll believe it when either one of them is actually dead.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#67 - 2014-04-14 17:25:35 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Morphisat wrote:
Lephia DeGrande wrote:
Alim Omaristos wrote:
Please replace CCP Falcon. Lying to people losing their jobs, and the community is not something someone in his position should be doing. I mean you're already laying people off may as well get some one who failed the basic parts of his job.


Isn't that practically the real deal of an Community Manager? Lol


Ah was just about to post that, and you beat me to it ! Not really CCP Falcon's fault, he gets orders from the Man.


Falcon does indeed get all his talking points on this issue from upper management.
He is clearly a middleman on this particular topic.

So why not have one of the c-suite guys in CCP actually answer these questions as opposed to Falcon emailing them and waiting for the official response that he then posts?

because that's falcons job.
also, hell be heading home soon id imagine so anything he cant say now, wouldn't change for at least 12 hours or so.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Lilliana Stelles
#68 - 2014-04-14 17:26:38 UTC
I'm going to second the suggestion of porting some of the carbon assets into EVE (mainly clothing). I know it won't all fit, but it'd be nice to see some formal items for avatar portraits. And it'd be a nice compromise and a way to recoup some losses (possibly). If they'd started any work on hunters or technocracy or any of the other high-tech cyberpunk factions of WoD, those assets could probably just be applied directly over into Eve.

Not a forum alt. 
Plug in Baby
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2014-04-14 17:27:33 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
EVE is dying, DUST is dying....

I'll believe it when either one of them is actually dead.


I don't think you'll be waiting long for Dust, Eve on the other hand..

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Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
#70 - 2014-04-14 17:27:53 UTC
Well, I haven't posted much in the last couple of years but I felt a need to chime in my 2 cents regarding this information.

It's been my firm opinion that Eve as a game suffered over the last 2 to 3 years due to the fact that you absolutely insisted on forcing the Walking-Avatar system and thus "Walking in Stations" and its prototype components on Eve as a launch bed to test your tech in preparation for the WoD MMO and then Dust514. While it is true, you delivered a very pretty and high quality component to Eve which made our Avatars more self-insert, you outright derailed other paths of development in order to do so.

I understand that you made the decisions you made as a company with a greater plan in mind, but I hope you realize now the mistakes you made in the past and the fact people who urged you to reconsider your stances on these things might have had valid points.

Eve suffered for a large period of time- to the point where it changed my stance on CCP as a company from "I will support them with my money, unquestionably" to "Sorry, I'm done, I'm out", and it has now been a sacrifice for nothing with this news. Dust514 to the best of the knowledge I can gleam has been a complete non-event, and now WoD is canceled outright.

I'm sorry, CCP, but my faith in you continues to falter.

Resident Haruhiist since December 2008.

Laying claim to Out of Pod Experience since 2007, plain and simple. Keep the trash out of [u]Out Of Pod Experience[/u], If it's EVE Related or deserves a Lock, it does not belong here.
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#71 - 2014-04-14 17:29:32 UTC
Lilliana Stelles wrote:
I'm going to second the suggestion of porting some of the carbon assets into EVE (mainly clothing). I know it won't all fit, but it'd be nice to see some formal items for avatar portraits. And it'd be a nice compromise and a way to recoup some losses (possibly). If they'd started any work on hunters or technocracy or any of the other high-tech cyberpunk factions of WoD, those assets could probably just be applied directly over into Eve.

I am certain that Gentlemen's Agreement would be all over the tuxedos, tophats and traditional monocles.

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#72 - 2014-04-14 17:30:37 UTC
Bummer. WoD is an interesting world.

Hope those guys bounce back. Would have loved to see another CCP MMO. I still hate DUST, but I'll admit it's come a long way from beta.
Anny Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2014-04-14 17:38:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Anny Jackson
Noxisia Arkana wrote:
Bummer. WoD is an interesting world.

Hope those guys bounce back. Would have loved to see another CCP MMO. I still hate DUST, but I'll admit it's come a long way from beta.


It doesn't matter. You gotta find a few reasons to play DUST before PlanetSide 2. And it's a very hard task. I'd even say impossible.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#74 - 2014-04-14 17:38:53 UTC
Not good news hopefully now after years of bandages focus will shift to eve.

also buff dust or shut it down.meh shooter dont have place on market.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Plug in Baby
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2014-04-14 17:39:44 UTC
Anny Jackson wrote:
Noxisia Arkana wrote:
Bummer. WoD is an interesting world.

Hope those guys bounce back. Would have loved to see another CCP MMO. I still hate DUST, but I'll admit it's come a long way from beta.


It doesn't matter. You gotta find a few reasons to play DUSt before PlanetSide 2. And it's a very hard task. I'd even say impossible.


LonginiusSpear wrote:
How bad do you think that game was if they canned it and released DUST?


Something to think about.

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Thead Enco
Domheimed
#76 - 2014-04-14 17:39:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Thead Enco
Stitcher wrote:
EVE is dying, DUST is dying....

I'll believe it when either one of them is actually dead.


Did you take a read Chribba's last article in regards to new characters created in Dust? Pretty much says it all.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#77 - 2014-04-14 17:40:16 UTC
Anny Jackson wrote:
Noxisia Arkana wrote:
Bummer. WoD is an interesting world.

Hope those guys bounce back. Would have loved to see another CCP MMO. I still hate DUST, but I'll admit it's come a long way from beta.


It doesn't matter. You gotta find a few reasons to play DUSt before PlanetSide 2. And it's a very hard task. I'd even say impossible.

not imposible, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealy hard though.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#78 - 2014-04-14 17:45:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Maximus Andendare wrote:
Is there a chance we can see how far WoD had come? I remember seeing a video from FF and the part showing WoD was cut. It'd be nice to see what CCP Atlanta had accomplished.


Is there the chance of a non MMO game coming out of this? I still play Bloodlines (on my non windows 7 PC as I cant get it to work for ****) and that game is years old.

arabella blood wrote:


1. Make Dust to PC - too late on that already, game practically dead.


When Diablo III can be turned around, Id say theres always hope lol

CCP Falcon wrote:


We know the value in the IP and are going to be reviewing the status of it in the near future. There aren't any plans for it at present.

Smile



That's corporate speak for "its dead, Jim"

Anna Karhunen wrote:
My condolences to all who lost their jobs. I hope they will find new jobs fast - and good ones too (in every aspect).


They could be hired by CiG. They seem to be hiring everyone else in development lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#79 - 2014-04-14 17:46:30 UTC
Thead Enco wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
EVE is dying, DUST is dying....

I'll believe it when either one of them is actually dead.

Did you take a read Chribba's last artice in regards to new characters created in Dust? Pretty much says it all.

Ooh. Link?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#80 - 2014-04-14 17:49:47 UTC
Mixu Paatelainen wrote:
The teenagers who were into Twilight who were the intended cash cow when this started grew up and moved on.

Sucks for those who lost their jobs.


WoD and White Wolf in general predated Twilight you know. By a decade I think

Thought I might try an help

Also; less than surprising that they pulled the plug if anything that was in that newsletter was serious about what they were planning with that game, THEN they announced the permadeath plan lol

Sorry to the Atlanta guys but yeah, it was destined to die

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.