Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Another recipient of the block feature. Yes, it's the start of the week - as in an anticipated dev update. Which could very well apply to the Pirate cruisers thread - except everyone's ecstatic with the changes (particularly the Gila and Vigilant).

Pro tip: Blocking people who disagree with you or who want you to stop spamming does not make you right or a worthwhile poster. Just sayin'.

Ok I'll give you the Cynabal

The 500% - 12 drones still equals meh.
2 Warriors with 3 DDA's = 549.25 Dps
2 Hammerheads with 3 DDA's = 634.70
+ 4 bonused RML = 182.43 Dps (without reload time included)

I'm pretty sure we can agree the paper Dps looks pretty good.
The problems only come about when your actually trying to engage a target. From my observations "Activation Proximity" is going to have a huge affect on applying drone dps. Unless your target is webbed and scrammed, your drones are going to spend more time MWDing into range than actually firing on a target.

If CCP were really serious about reducing the number of drones, Ishtar, Dominix, Hyperion, Armageddon all far more common and widely used than Gurista ships.
The reduction for Supers to 10 bombers / fighters may have some benefit in large battles but nowhere near the benefit of not having 500 or 600 domis and their sentries on field would.
If too many drones in space is the logic behind this change then Guristas ships will be the testing line and it will not be long before all ships have their bandwidth limited in the same way.
Ishtar with 2 medium drones, Dominix with 2 sentry drones, Hyperion and Armageddon with 2 (unbonused?) heavy drones, Drake with 2 light drones.
No idea what they would do with carriers, which are far more prevalent in large fleet fights than supers and are capable of fielding 15 fighters.

This of course like much in this thread, is pure speculation but as the Devs have gone silent what else do we have?

Would make a lot of sense also as earlier it was mentioned that medium drones will have a lot of trouble engaging many fast targets. The Gila won't be able to switch to light drones, so perhaps a speed and tracking bonus would be the way to go.

So when are we finding out about the Battleships? I thought I saw a posting saying it would be the end of last week, I guess that has now been put back, but when to?

LOL, very soon

Yea, but that doesn't answer the question of when the Battleship thread will be up dang it!!

If youve read any of the other ship threads by Rise, youd have known that already

Sadly the nerfs to the Ashimmu's web strength (in lieu of range) will make what was a very cool hull 'meh' overall.

If you must nerf the 90% webs, then recommend a small buff to neut/nos amount and range also.

This is pretty much it, and is somewhat justified by Roden Shipyards, a Gallente manufacturer that used to deal pretty heavily with missiles.

It's because they're trying to make it so skills are strong and helpful, but not game breaking to not have them. Have you seen what they're doing to Drone Interfacing? It's because it's something like a 20 day train to have what is considered the "acceptable" level of damage with your drones. At least as far as I've seen they're trying to move away from "skill level V or biomass" bonuses because they simply don't allow choices. You can't compromise and train to level IV and "make do".

And remember, these are T1 ships. They shouldn't have excessive skill investments to put them into an acceptable place. Skills should absolutely make them better, no question about it, but they shouldn't be the be all and end all. The only difference between these and a normal T1 ship is an additional racial hull skill which isn't exactly a huge train, but they don't want the bonuses to be so large that you absolutely have to max it instantly.



As far as a bonus to tracking and speed, that would be great. I could see that going on the Gallente hull bonus. Perhaps in addition to the Missile bonus on the Gallente hull, or they could make the missile bonus a role bonus. Who knows? As Harvey said, why limit skills to 1 per racial skill? Or why not make it a role bonus?


Edit: xposting from Rise who xposted from Reddit:
[–]CCP_Rise CCP Employee 1 point 61 milliseconds ago
I wish there was a way to avoid it but there really isn't. If we put the drone damage bonus on the Gallente skill and put missile damage in the role bonus (as it was before) it would mean people were basically required to have level 5 of the Gallente skill to use the ship, which we don't want.
It's also not like Gallente never use missiles. Until recently all the Roden ships used them.

Read it here.