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[Kronos] Pirate Faction Cruisers

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Vinyl 41
AdVictis
#1001 - 2014-04-14 05:28:43 UTC
well we can speculate that the missle bonus is a part of the old "heresy" about roden ships becoming missle bonused - so that would make sense
and secondly nope you cant rework guri ships to your dream missle pirate faction Twisted
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1002 - 2014-04-14 06:47:43 UTC
Vinyl 41 wrote:
and secondly nope you cant rework guri ships to your dream missle pirate faction Twisted

Summer is still a ways away… Lol

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Gar Tharon Sabezan
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1003 - 2014-04-14 06:53:41 UTC
Well I currently rat with 2 Gila and one Rattlesnake utilizing 15 sentry drones. I guess that's out of the window now Evil

If I stay with the Gila my drones will now have travel time and being hopeless with numbers I have no idea how the damage will compare to sentry drones.

The changes look good.... just not for me lol
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#1004 - 2014-04-14 07:00:04 UTC
Hasril Pux wrote:
To those of you who keep saying a drone boat that can use all the drones is overlapping the Ishtar (that includes you DEVs), I say a drone boat that can use all the drones does not an overlap make.

It's a drone boat, a Guristas, missile slinging brick ****house of a shield-tanking drone boat. It should be able to use all the drones just as effectively as any other drone boat.

Just because a Vigilant uses medium hybrid turrets, that doesn't mean it "overlaps" the Deimos, and so we should give it one gun that does 1000% more damage to make it different.

Subtle differences in ships are difference enough for me. I never called for anyone to change the Ishtar because it's too close in capability to the Gila, even though it's often considered "superior." How would you like to see the Ishtar lose access to sentry drones and full flights of... anything?

Why should I have to roll over and be either forced into a different role or told to 'please consider another option, thanks!' other than my favorite ship.


correct. The overlap argument is completely ridiculous. The only similarity between Guristas and Gallente are the use of drones. Missiles, shield-tanking, the hull, stats and maneuverability are all typical of Caldari.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1005 - 2014-04-14 07:07:38 UTC
Gar Tharon Sabezan wrote:
Well I currently rat with 2 Gila and one Rattlesnake utilizing 15 sentry drones. I guess that's out of the window now Evil

I see an Ishtar or two in your future...

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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#1006 - 2014-04-14 07:26:22 UTC
Xavier Thorm wrote:

I also say that it would not be difficult at all to make the Gila capable of the role CCP is currently pushing on it (medium drone specialist) without limiting it to that role alone. I usually refrain from posting numbers, because I'm not a developer, but just as an example:

Caldari Cruiser:
4% to all shield resistance

Gallente Cruiser:
10% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints

Role Bonus:
50% bonus to medium drone damage and hitpoints
25% Kinetic and Thermal missile damage

Drones (bandwidth / bay) 50 / 200

The above bonuses fit the racial specializations better, smooth the skillpoint curve of the ship between its weapon systems, and allow specialization in medium drones without limiting versatility as much as the current changes. My numbers may not be prefect, but I would much rather see the Guristas go in this direction than in the (currently proposed) very limited one.

Damn it; That is a really good idea.

Can still throw out a flight of Lights, ECM's or logi drones if needed.

Gives it the medium drone specialization without taking away all of its versatility.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1007 - 2014-04-14 07:30:49 UTC
Xavier Thorm wrote:
Role Bonus:
25% Kinetic and Thermal missile damage

Can't say as I'm a big fan of cutting this in half.

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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#1008 - 2014-04-14 07:36:48 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Xavier Thorm wrote:
Role Bonus:
25% Kinetic and Thermal missile damage

Can't say as I'm a big fan of cutting this in half.

Give me 5 medium drones with 100% damage and hitpoint bonus and the ability to use light drones (ecm, logi). Yep I'll take a cut in missile dps.
I would rather have a drone boat with versatile and strong drones than a halfassed, niche drone boat with missiles.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1009 - 2014-04-14 07:54:13 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Give me 5 medium drones with 100% damage and hitpoint bonus and the ability to use light drones (ecm, logi). Yep I'll take a cut in missile dps. I would rather have a drone boat with versatile and strong drones than a halfassed, niche drone boat with missiles.

I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad idea (other than the hit to missiles), but as the Gila is following in the footsteps of the Worm - and there's been almost no dev response to those drone changes - realistically, how likely is it that we'll see any improvements or radical changes to the Gila's drone attributes? For that matter, how often have we seen any serious design changes once they've been tabled for 'feedback'? I think if you have your heart set on a hybrid Gila you might be setting yourself up for disappointment...

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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#1010 - 2014-04-14 07:57:59 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Give me 5 medium drones with 100% damage and hitpoint bonus and the ability to use light drones (ecm, logi). Yep I'll take a cut in missile dps. I would rather have a drone boat with versatile and strong drones than a halfassed, niche drone boat with missiles.

I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad idea (other than the hit to missiles), but as the Gila is following in the footsteps of the Worm - and there's been almost no dev response to those drone changes - realistically, how likely is it that we'll see any improvements or radical changes to the Gila's drone attributes? For that matter, how often have we seen any serious design changes once they've been tabled for 'feedback'? I think if you have your heart set on a hybrid Gila you might be setting yourself up for disappointment...

I agree there is little to no hope of change at this stage.
Which is the reason for my starting a previous post with - DAMN IT, this is a good idea. Blink

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1011 - 2014-04-14 08:02:21 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
I agree there is little to no hope of change at this stage.
Which is the reason for my starting a previous post with - DAMN IT, this is a good idea. Blink

Sure, I'll grant you that from a drone standpoint it's actually a fairly good idea. Which means the chances of it being implemented are less than zero. Meanwhile, as everyone starts training towards an Ishtar...

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Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#1012 - 2014-04-14 08:22:37 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Don't be so obtuse.

They can be fairly easily inferred from the cruiser changes. The Vindi stays the same, probably loses some grid. The Bhaalgorn gets a web range bonus (which will be beyond evil) and probably also loses some grid, the Machariel gets *** *****, the Nightmare will be a jumbled mix of concepts, and the Nestor is still the worst ship in the game.

All we are waiting for now are the particulars. And they've already told us we'll be waiting for a while.

But whether you agree or disagree with the design philosophy being put into place so far, this the cruiser thread. So stay on topic and talk about the cruisers.

Uhh...

Vindi: the grid loss wasn't a precedent set by the frigates. It was a local power change to the Vigilant. Gains lock range, but is otherwise largely unchanged.
Bhaalgorn: already has web range bonus, no change there. Likely very minimal changes, it is already performing admirably in its given role, unlike the rest of the Blood Raiders.
Machariel: Gets nerfed, but then due to public outcry the nerf gets rolled back slightly and all in all becomes a piece of **** that can warp a little faster.
Nightmare: minimal changes, but gains an AB bonus at no loss. Meh.
Nestor: no argument here.

Sgt Ocker wrote:

Quote:
Look forward to hearing from you o/
Is pure lip service, time and again he has shown he is not interested in any feedback unless it agrees with his position.

PS; I know Rise is not solely responsible for these changes but as with anyone who takes on the role of spokesperson for something, he is publicly responsible. A good designer he may be, dealing with "paying" public is another thing entirely.
Quite simply CCP Rise, step back and let someone else interact in the forums on your teams behalf - Continually showing such a lack of respect for players is not good. Oh and simply ignoring something only shows a lack of professionalism..


CCP may own the rights to EveOnline but really, it belongs to its players, don't keep trying to turn us into mushrooms

Going to defend him slightly here. You're incorrect in saying it's pure lip service. They did slightly roll back the Cynabal nerf while throwing it a miniscule bone (warp speed is cool!). It may be mostly lip service, but not quite pure.




Still the thing bugging me the most in this thread is people still being incapable of adding 500% drone damage and hitpoints and instead assuming 500% drone damage and hitpoints. It's the difference between 10 and 12 effective drones, people. Get it right. (same issue in the frigates thread with the Worm.)

I'd be alright with instead of more bandwidth, a 100% bonus to light drone damage and hitpoints giving it the option of using light drones at least on par with its peers (very slightly better than every other drone bonused ship using lights), and on par with its smaller brother, the Worm. 8 effective lights give it a bit more of an ability to react while still being far from the wrecking machine the 12 mediums will be in point blank.

And really people, asking for +drone bonuses? Yes, they're unique. But if you looked at the Dev blog they're doing pretty much everything in their power to reduce the number of drones possible on field, not increase them. They halved the number of fighters/fighter bombers in MOMs by doubling bonuses, why would they increase the number of drones a far cheaper and slightly more (less in this day and age?) common subcap can use?
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#1013 - 2014-04-14 10:22:45 UTC
Ok....... So...... Battleships.......

...Where are they.
Vinyl 41
AdVictis
#1014 - 2014-04-14 10:55:27 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:
Ok....... So...... Battleships.......

...Where are they.

a few h more at the bare minimum
Gefen Orion
Icebox Industries
#1015 - 2014-04-14 11:01:43 UTC
Question on the Gila regarding the Gallente cruiser bonus - how the hell did the gallente side of the ship managed to received a missile damage bonus? It's totally out of line. Drop that bonus to the caldari side, make gallente bonus involve drone bonus, like drone navigation or tracking bonus. Seriously, gallente having a missile damage bonus, really?
Laiannah Sahireen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1016 - 2014-04-14 11:08:46 UTC
Gefen Orion wrote:
Question on the Gila regarding the Gallente cruiser bonus - how the hell did the gallente side of the ship managed to received a missile damage bonus? It's totally out of line. Drop that bonus to the caldari side, make gallente bonus involve drone bonus, like drone navigation or tracking bonus. Seriously, gallente having a missile damage bonus, really?


Welcome to several weeks ago. Devs have already explained that the only alternative would be to put a crazy 125% per level drone bonus on the Gallente skill, which would make the ship unusable without Gallente Cruiser V - something they want to avoid.

If that's your biggest complaint, enjoy your new Gila, it's going to be fun.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1017 - 2014-04-14 11:11:56 UTC
Gefen Orion wrote:
Question on the Gila regarding the Gallente cruiser bonus - how the hell did the gallente side of the ship managed to received a missile damage bonus?

Haven't you heard? Some Gallente ships are going to be overhauled with missile launchers instead of hybrid turrets… Twisted

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Vinyl 41
AdVictis
#1018 - 2014-04-14 11:13:56 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Gefen Orion wrote:
Question on the Gila regarding the Gallente cruiser bonus - how the hell did the gallente side of the ship managed to received a missile damage bonus?

Haven't you heard? Some Gallente ships are going to be overhauled with missile launchers instead of hybrid turrets… Twisted

missle mega or hype yummy Roll
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1019 - 2014-04-14 11:33:40 UTC
It's the start of the week… Just saying...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Laiannah Sahireen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1020 - 2014-04-14 11:35:43 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
It's the start of the week… Just saying...


Please just shut up already. I was on board with you when you started asking but now it's just naggy and annoying.