Player Features and Ideas Discussion

if they change the ape carrying a briefcase im canceling sub(gila)

More drones means more lag. No ship will ever be getting that bonus back. That's why Interfacing was changed to +damage from +drones.

I'd be down with that. Osprey is the sexiest of the fat-bird ships next to the prophecy. <3

True and of course there are so many Guristas ship out there the lag produced by them would be simply mind boggling.

I'd so be willing to pay to hear from a Dev, the logic behind the upcoming changes to Guristas Ships and the roles they are expected to fill.

NB; CCP Rise - it will be fun and give pilots new ways of using them - just won'y cut it, you tried that one with rapid launchers and aside from very limited niche situations, they are just not fun.

I always believed having developers who actually played the game they were designing would be good for the game.. Recent history is very quickly pushing that theory way way off into the distance. Simply removing ships and modules from roles they filled and not having viable alternatives is not game "development" as much as it is game changing and not good change.

Maybe the problem isn't that devs play the game so much as their closed minded opinions on how the game should be played by others.

When a company develops a new product or drastically changes an existing 1, they usually poll users in the planning stages to see if it is what their customers want or would use.. If the feedback in the planning stage is not good they go back to the proverbial drawing board.
This doesn't happen in eve, devs get an idea (good or bad) and aside from a little tweaking (if there is enough outcry) users are stuck with it (good or bad).
And before anyone says "the CSM represents players with devs and ccp" the CSM represent their "place" in eve and are by no means representative of the majority of players. Many players disagree with decisions made by CSM, which is pointless because they have no voice. Much the same as feedback devs base a lot of change on, comes from a very small pool of those it will affect.
If CCP Rises attitude towards rapid launchers is to be the example of CCP's position on what players would like to see in the game they play. . . .Well yeah, if you worked for me and treated paying customers with that type of arrogance, you would very quickly be looking for another job.

Pretty much this. Drone bonused boat and can't even field a flight of unbonused ligths, a trait enjoyed by the majority of cruiser+ sized ships in the game. This needs to happen IMO. 25 bandwith for a full flight of lights, or at least some bonus to HP of lights. Without that it will end up a little too far into the corner of a "all or nothing" brawler.

Thanks for putting the proper justification out for the extra bandwidth.

if it had just 5mbit in addition, that surely would't be so bad. Could still only use two massively bonused drones - but then there'd be a lone warrior II or ec-300 flying around, which would look quite silly in space.

A Gila (chunk of damage), two Hammerheads (chunk of damage each) and le WTF-drone.

It's a boat that specialises in Medium drones, what is so hard to understand about this? Medium drones are going to be in a better place than you think come come summer.

Also, RLMLs are going to ruin the day of most frigates.

Honestly, 90% of the time I'm in EVE I'm PVPing in lowsec and I barely see any Gilas as it is. If I do, they're usually running sites. Suddenly they announce a change and the entire playerbase is making a fuss.

If the Gila is so precious to everybody, why do I never see anybody PVPing in one?

I'm (also) having some doubts on the Gila's PvE usefulness.

Frigates and cruisers can go after the drones at a moment's notice.
Now since a so greatly buffed Hammerhead will be so good at dealing punishment for ONE drone, while I'm not exactly sure on the agro mechanics, I imagine they can pretty easily present a high-priority target, at which point I am probably forced to recall it, thus losing half my drone damage, instead of 20%.

As such, for level 1 and 2 I would rather take something, that can field 5 lights (especially an Ishtar with a flight of Gardes or the to-be-buffed Bouncers, should rats spawn far enough).
For L3 and L4, ranges become more and more, thus sentries, for me Ishtar wins once more.

For belt-ratting, I can see some use in it, though with the fixed damage bonus a Navy Vexor could probably serve just as well (better?) with 5 velocity/tracking-buffed heavies, while still able to launch a full flight or two of light ECM drones should I be dropped suddenly (I always carry a bunch of those when in low in a drone ship, gives a warm fuzzy feeling when they save my bacon).

Exploration? SoE ships with cloak!

Anoms, Ishtar/SoE again.

Am I missing something of the awesomeness of the proposed Gila apart from being able to fit ...HML?
RLML against interceptors?

In the case of the Nestor, they saw that what the frig and cruiser hulls could do, the battleship shouldn't try, and went for something different.

Super-sentries might be interesting though...