Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't PvP anymore, on this char. But I did.
In wh's, in low sec, in null.
And some PvP basics have not changed in that time.

damage controls probably are too good. I don't really get what they're supposed to be good for, but other than being great on almost everything, one nice thing they do is allow for ballsy gank fits that aren't complete paper. shield tank people could possibly get mad about how damage controls aren't so good for them as they are for armour people. maybe they do get mad about this, I don't know.

you could happily have a +50% web strength bonus on top of ~40% normal webs. there'd still be 'flavour' and range dictation. nerfing powerful modules will bring more flavour, because not everyone will be using them on everything anymore. I'd probably be down for some sort of very steep stacking penalty on webs as well though - it's kind of hard for it to be a reasonable module, and then apply its effect 3x.

stacking up a bunch of regular webs will let you kill any frigate with a couple of cruisers. this is probably why people don't obsess over vigilants in cruiser fleets - normal webs are good enough already with that many. also because they'll die. it's a support ship. you don't need a fleet of them. I guess also because people are getting better at the game and using longer range stuff more.

try engaging a cruiser gang with a gang of brawling frigates. you'll see that webs are 'an issue'. the whole point in being in this small fast ship is your speed keeps you alive, but then you get triple webbed and you die instantly. I don't even bother running AB gangs anymore, all the survivability comes from ewar support, because the ABs don't really do much. the only frigates you see used in proper gangs are the very fast long range kind that never gets webbed. some people use AFs, but those are trash. it's the same with cruisers against battleships - your speed isn't going to help you out against mega pulse lasers, afterburner or no. you're going to get webbed down to nothing, then wrecked. not mentioning destroyers because they're a joke.

I think the reason other people don't notice this stuff is basically because I'm better than them.

Then read about the medium drone speed changes, apply a nav comp on the gila and take a look at the EHP, speed, range (MWD overshoot security) and tracking stats of 2 500% (x6) bonused augmented Valkyries with a T2 DDE rig.

Hint: 5400m/s, buffer AF/T1 cruiser EHP, 50m sig.

TBH I find that REALLY hard to believe given the current PVE AI system. Even with the proposed Medium Drone rework, this change puts the Gila solidly in the "meh" category with little hope of additional uses. There are 2 drones used for PVE, Sentries and Lights, all the others are simply too slow and die before they can be pulled back into the drone bay. Nothing proposed appears to change that.

Actually, what is proposed directly changes that. When your medium drones have the speed of lights and the EHP of your main ship, they become viable in PvE. The whole PvE thing is a mentality problem imo, since we are currently too accustomed to sentries to even reconsider the application at hand.

Great extreme example.

I too can create outlier situations.

Most of the better PvE drone ships were sentry based due to eliminating the travel time issue in applying DPS. The speed change does help this, but no more on this ship than it does any others while leaving the Ishtar with the option of sentries. The ONLY trick the gila now has over it is superdrones, but that only makes EWAR against the drones more effective as you only have 2 targets to take out of the fight instead of 5. Not to mention that in the case of lights, the new gila goes from 7.5 effective to 4.

Please feel free to explain. My drones still grab plenty of aggro depending on what is on the field, even with 2 TP's and a full rack of missiles working to take it back. These drones are substantially more resilient, but all it takes is a single NPC webber, which you will no longer be sentry blapping at range, to partially marginalize 40% of your DPS, even if only temporarily.

Also the increase in speed isn't limited to the Gila, so it's no reason to chose the Gila over and other more flexible drone ship.

I never really understood that thing about drones and EWAR. It came up with the worm update too.

When Curtis Le May first saw the original iteration for the XB-70 Valkyrie bomber, he exclaimed "This is not an airplane, its a three ship formation!".

And this is exactly what you get with the new Gila. You have 7.5 launchers, and 2 drones that each have the DPS and the buffer of an assault frigate++.

I don't know about you, I really love having 10 assault frigates in my drone bay.

ishtar/oneiros it is, but for those staying gila due to skills or RP they'll be sitting around while drones boat between targets. not only will T2 mediums be more expensive than a flight of throwaway T1 sentries, they'll be slower and possibly get eaten in the process. but whatever, rise is making a change that equates to no more gila in PVE, cuz the ishtar is better now.