Player Features and Ideas Discussion

one of the key reasons why drone ships have one less fitting slot is due to drone utility... by limiting the drone mb to 20 you are removing said utility of drones...

either increase it to 25mb and allow us to fit a full flight of small drones or give us an extra fitting slot...

otherwise this is a perfect example of "Lost Capability" in the proposed change.

Cynabal is total trash compared to basically every other Medium Autocannon based cruiser, needs a new unique bonus which should be introduced to all Angel ships (warp speed possibly?) or an increased falloff bonus.

just did a simulation, and unless i screwed up somewhere, the gila is clearly crazy OP

fit:


result:
http://hpics.li/a1593c4
in a nutshell: 788 DPS drone + missiles, 623dps drones only / 73k EHP

the drones just got crazy tank:
http://hpics.li/c9b3c01

and this is just with my skills, with no implants

with better missiles skills, a cpu implants and missiles implants.....well, this can't be good for the game

I'll catch up with the 20-odd pages soon, but here are my initial thoughts:

The Gila doesn't overlap with the Ishtar, it complements the Ishtar. You have the Phantasm which is a shield tanking laser boat, then you have the zealot which is an armour tanking laser boat. They are different beasts, for different fleets. If you want to use medium drones with the Gila you're going to need a bonus to propulsion mods so that it can get into range to deploy those drones, simply because of travel time.

Equivalent to 10 medium drones! Exciting stuff for a cruiser that used to pump out 400+ DPS at range.

Here's how I would make the ship more interesting, Gallente Cruiser bonus of:

• 20% bonus to medium drone damage and HP
• 8% bonus to sentry drone damage and tracking
• 15% bonus to heavy drone MWD speed, flight speed and tracking

And maintain the 125MBps bandwidth. Now you can let the pilot decide how they want to fly the ship. When it turns out that having the equivalent of 10 medium drones just doesn't excite us, we can still fall back on the tried and true formula of sentry drones or heavy drones.

Otherwise it's just going to be a white elephant.

The main concern remains not wether or not fittings are to generous, but wether or not it makes sense realizing them for various hulls. Looking at certain tasks Pirate cruisers as proposed might be able to fill them, (neutwebbing support ashimmu, dreadblapping vigilantes) but rather because they are the only ones with a certain configuration. You generally don't want two ships working tasks so strikingly inferior to two specialized hulls that the consideration is wasted to start with.

To be more precise, the Ashimmu got a wonderful neutbonus, something gimmicky for its NOS-systems and a webrange-bonus. Not only is utilization of one of the two exclusive, they also work subpar on 4 major accounts - Mobility, Tank, Neutamount (mainly due to fittings) and effective webrange. The Ashimmu has a niche in maybe supersmall engagements of 3v3 and it can shine there because it's the one eyed amongst the blind, but that doesn't justify the artificial obstacles placed in form of that intentionally nerfhammered powergrid.
Take away the 90% bonus that synergized with those neuts so well - okay. But further pushing the Ashimmu out of a heavy tackle niche into a *I don't have Recon skilled yet*-ship with an armortank is harmful.

The Cynabal not only lost it's role, it's getting more-than-tempest treatment.
The Tempest was lost somewhere in 2011 with Kil2 maybe running one of it's last adventues on TQ on stream. Eventually, Tempest got rebalanced based on first-hand-2011-experience. Didn't work out.
The Cynabal was bad since beginning 2012, got very bad with the HAC-revamp - being the ultimate glass cannon regarding tanking capabilities. With mediocre dps was even bad at the cannon-part. Now, the field is receiving a buff, so the cynabal falls from borderline useful to trash-tier.

The vigilant always has been the expensive one. The fittings were generous, but they were also needed given the downsides like exorbitant price and T1-resists. As a cruiser, you're either squishy as hell or you need to put a 1600 plate on it.


Besides that, I read someone mentioning a shield booster capacitor consumption bonus for angel ships in the frig thread. Why is no such thing done? Would solve the cargo bay issues for them to a good degree :^)

actually, they might kill it in pve, but it will become an OP beast in pvp, check my post above or this:

http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=943587gila.jpg
and
http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=155367drone.jpg

because it's just the same as plain minmatar, but less awful

-3 from me I'm afraid.

I have enjoyed many of the other changes, but these aren't an overall improvement imho.

That gila with fewer drones is FAR too easy to shut down all it's dps by destroying only two drones.

The cynabal just became a total waste of space for its money if you cant even fit it like a rupture, it has less PGU and CPU that its tech 1 cheap as shite counterpart. I can't help but think you are taking the pee.

As for the vigilant IT SHOULD BE!

You can fit mwd, 1600 and med guns on a t1 cruiser, at 20 times the price you should be able to properly fit a pirate cruiser too. I'm not talking faction mwd, t2 plates and so on, just a basic combat fit. If you expect people to fly 800mm plate cruisers you are balancing to a poor meta. There are already too few reasons to fly a larger ship than a frigate, don't make cruisers rubbish and add to the problem.

How much dps does it have after you kill one of its drones?

So you still don't know how to generate threat (via logistics and ewar) therefore keeping aggro off your drones? This is why you are a horrible example of this game's PVE community, the rest of us figured out how to use drones under the new AI a long time ago.