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Something need to be done to stop the massacre of missioning ships and minning barges in hisec
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John XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#261 - 2014-04-02 01:53:39 UTC  |  Edited by: John XIII
Do I have to pay for my game time while banned? 2 weeks off w/ pay from EvE sounds pretty f'n fantastic bro.

+1 if I get free ban time w/ an active skill queue

edit: The BOB troll, I LOL'd

Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#262 - 2014-04-02 02:06:55 UTC
Matogg wrote:

You've done precious little to make the game of EvE a better one and that is why I recommend for any gank consisting of 2 or more ships in high sec the perps get a 14 day ban for 1st offense , a 30 day ban for 2nd offense and a permanent BOOT for anything more . Lets see how many perps go all the way to #3 . Not many I'll bet !


CCP could then rename the server from Tranquility to Solitude.


[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#263 - 2014-04-02 06:22:44 UTC
Mojo Joo wrote:
They kill just to many, to expensive ships to fast and to easy.
Is game breaking to kill so many expensive ships so easy and is very unbalanced to make tens of billions of isk every day without any risk, as long you can use 500k isk ships to kill ships who worth many billions...
Also a big problem is the new broken pro-piracy feature, who provide suicide gankers with a way to instant fix their security status. That make things much worse because they make a lot of money and can afford to buy insignias and fix their security status, then keep going killing at infinitum without becoming flashy.

Zero risk, hundred of billions destroyed in days, tens of billions profit in days... that is broken game mechanic.

So why are you still grinding missions for minimal iskQuestion
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#264 - 2014-04-02 06:43:19 UTC
Matogg wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Becca Dallocort wrote:
It is really very sad when gankers, think they are elite pvper's, they live in high sec because if they where to live in nullsec they would be the victims, they are really very sad people in real life, so they choose to use their frustration against others, i know that this will be trolled but i dont care, cause i live in nullsec, where i face real pvper's not the cowards of highsec piracy and ganking. So do whatever you want, but remember this, as much as you tell yourself that you are the big fish, you are just alittle minnow compared to nullsec, and i dont care how many roams and what links you post, the fact remains, you dont have the fortitude to live there on a permanent basis.


Hi,

The predominant entity doing this at the moment is Goonswarm, TNT + allies*. Would you say Goonswarm qualifies as a nullsec alliance, wise and brave posting alt?
We go into a mission hub and gank every mission ship till there's no targets left, it's pretty fun, you should try it. Think we're tagging about 50bil+ per session at the moment. You really learn to value the pro's of being in highsec, where a fleet of suicide ships + combat probes can be on short-scan for several minutes at a time without the mission runner doing anything to save himself.


You could very well qualify to be the the poster boy of why I believe that the only REAL solution to the organized hi sec ganker "problem" is the total banning of anybody using one or more ships to GANK in high security space . For the overall good of the game , of course .

Goonswarm is debatably the most powerful of the null sec alliances [since absorbing B.O.B. ] and still you covet high sec .
To the best of my knowledge Goonswarm was the 1st to look at it as a business venture . Your "Hulkageddon" and "Burn Jita" brainstorms have done nothing but cause confusion , fear and price raises throughout the game of EvE . The 1st ckokepoint camp , [Uedama] , that i can recall seeing was Goonswarm also .



mangling history is a heinous crime.

As an aside, hulkageddon was not originally a goon thing, the goon thing was the gallente ice interdiction, and from the perspective of anyone trying to understand the side effects of such thing, I sold some 500 brutixes during the intervention, and meant that I paid miners 10 billion isk for minerals. If goons would be so kind as to blow up 500 brutixes made by me now after tieracide, then I could pay miners 20 billion isk for minerals.

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You've done precious little to make the game of EvE a better one and that is why I recommend for any gank consisting of 2 or more ships in high sec the perps get a 14 day ban for 1st offense , a 30 day ban for 2nd offense and a permanent BOOT for anything more . Lets see how many perps go all the way to #3 . Not many I'll bet !



For perpetrating the supreme offence of continuing to mission with combat probes on shortrange scan + destroyers on very short range scan or even visible in pocket, I propose the penalty of losing of your spaceship.

Oh wait, that already works. Looks like CCP got something right after 10 years.
oohthey ioh
Doomheim
#265 - 2014-04-02 08:28:43 UTC
Becca Dallocort wrote:
You are quick to say that i am judging and insulting people, but you are judging me. I'm merely expressing my opinion like you and the above member or goonswarm, it is a game meant to played how you want it to be, but it is also true that the trolls of the internet, get joy from making others miserable, thats a fact, and i know you want a link to were i came up with that answer, simply google trolling and you will see, as for large alliances it is hit or miss, you have the good with bad, and as for you quote, no i don't believe it.



how did i judging or insulting you? what i am saying, you don't know every story behind every gank, and yes you expressing your opinion and but in doing so you are insulting someone else.
Dsparil Mal
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#266 - 2014-04-02 09:24:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Dsparil Mal
Mojo Joo wrote:
A gang of only 12 destroyers did 1500 billions damage in few weeks:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Megamaks+T44

Look on this and notice that something looks very wrong there... also notice how much money they make from the loot they get...

This guys effectively do a genocide between people who do missions, and if CCP not change something, i bet that at this rate of killings they will gone lose a lot of subscribers.

Is very obvious that is way to easy to kill very expensive ships in very cheap ones, and moreover, with new dumb pro-piracy feature of sec status instant boost, using pirate insignias, gankers can get security status back instant, and keep going on suicide gank ships at infinitum as long is very profitable too.

They cannot be stopped in that cheap and fast ships, killrights dont have any use because of same reasons...
So guys take care and brick tank your ships, but that will not help to much as long they use enough destroyers...




Please. I must know about your tears. Show me on this toy mission ship where the nasty gankers touched your naughty parts.

Erotica 1 for CSM 9!
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#267 - 2014-04-02 13:31:06 UTC
Matogg wrote:
You could very well qualify to be the the poster boy of why I believe that the only REAL solution to the organized hi sec ganker "problem" is the total banning of anybody using one or more ships to GANK in high security space . For the overall good of the game , of course .

Goonswarm is debatably the most powerful of the null sec alliances [since absorbing B.O.B. ] and still you covet high sec .
To the best of my knowledge Goonswarm was the 1st to look at it as a business venture . Your "Hulkageddon" and "Burn Jita" brainstorms have done nothing but cause confusion , fear and price raises throughout the game of EvE . The 1st ckokepoint camp , [Uedama] , that i can recall seeing was Goonswarm also .

You've done precious little to make the game of EvE a better one and that is why I recommend for any gank consisting of 2 or more ships in high sec the perps get a 14 day ban for 1st offense , a 30 day ban for 2nd offense and a permanent BOOT for anything more . Lets see how many perps go all the way to #3 . Not many I'll bet !


Good idea to be honest.

As long as CCP balance it against all styles of gameplay, I can't see the issue. eg: using multiple ships to complete a mission or incursion should get the same, logical, 14 day ban on the first occurrence, then 30 and perma. I think it's also probably an exploit to use a ship of greater value than the rats you're killing, so rookie ships only for L1 and L2 missions, T1 frigates for L3, and then a Destroyer for L4s.
Honestly the best part about this change, is it stops us needing multiple ships to gank you in a mission, so we won't need to exploit if you don't. Seems balanced overall.

For the overall good of the game, of course.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#268 - 2014-04-02 13:32:25 UTC
Or you could probably realise CCP have specifically allowed players to be attacked in highsec and is normal gameplay.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Becca Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#269 - 2014-04-02 22:25:23 UTC
oohthey ioh wrote:
Becca Dallocort wrote:
You are quick to say that i am judging and insulting people, but you are judging me. I'm merely expressing my opinion like you and the above member or goonswarm, it is a game meant to played how you want it to be, but it is also true that the trolls of the internet, get joy from making others miserable, thats a fact, and i know you want a link to were i came up with that answer, simply google trolling and you will see, as for large alliances it is hit or miss, you have the good with bad, and as for you quote, no i don't believe it.



how did i judging or insulting you? what i am saying, you don't know every story behind every gank, and yes you expressing your opinion and but in doing so you are insulting someone else.





my opinion is my own like your if you take offense to so be it, but everyone is entitled to there opinion, ya cant make everybody happy all the time, i'm can stand on my little soapbox and shout my opinion as can you, but you also have the choice not to listen to it.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#270 - 2014-04-02 22:28:49 UTC
Goons are such nice people. I don't get the hate.

No trolling please
Elusive Panda
Public Enemies CO
The Initiative.
#271 - 2014-04-03 17:14:02 UTC
"High-Sec" is not "Risk-free sec", EVE is a harsh, cold and unforgiving game for those that enjoy the playstyle, I don't know of any other like it besides UO (and that one is starting to be old).

If you insist on running L4 while being blind and oblivious to any threat, then use a T2 fitted Battleship like a sentry Domi, you'll only lose 300/400 mil and potentially make yourself a very unappealing target for would be ganker.

A speed tanking T3 will net you about the same mission completion speed while being a lot more elusive, by the time the catalyst lands on you, you will have put a lot of distance between their warp in and might just warp off in time.

If you really, really must use a deadspace fitted pirate battleship for your L4 missioning, then may I suggest you act accordingly and use D-Scan to spot incoming threat while being aligned? You are, after all, willingly flying around with a target on your back.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#272 - 2014-04-03 17:49:33 UTC
Becca Dallocort wrote:
It is really very sad when gankers, think they are elite pvper's, they live in high sec because if they where to live in nullsec they would be the victims, they are really very sad people in real life, so they choose to use their frustration against others, i know that this will be trolled but i dont care, cause i live in nullsec, where i face real pvper's not the cowards of highsec piracy and ganking. So do whatever you want, but remember this, as much as you tell yourself that you are the big fish, you are just alittle minnow compared to nullsec, and i dont care how many roams and what links you post, the fact remains, you dont have the fortitude to live there on a permanent basis.


Look, another "I think nullsec is the endgame" post.

Fail.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#273 - 2014-04-03 18:00:26 UTC
Matogg wrote:

You've done precious little to make the game of EvE a better one and that is why I recommend for any gank consisting of 2 or more ships in high sec the perps get a 14 day ban for 1st offense , a 30 day ban for 2nd offense and a permanent BOOT for anything more . Lets see how many perps go all the way to #3 . Not many I'll bet !


This is the best terribad idea to grace the forums in a long time.

Dude, (or gal, w/e)

Ganking is part of the game, so there wont be any bans. If it was a bannable offense to gank, ships wouldnt be permitted (by the game programming) to fire on one another without consent.

Its EvE. Deal with it or get out, but dont ruin the game for the rest of us.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#274 - 2014-04-04 13:59:38 UTC
I can't believe this thread is still going. Can't you mouth breathing sociopath gankers find an interesting way to play the game. Besides the immorallity of ganking - it's just easy mode crap. Grow up, get a life and make something of yourselves.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#275 - 2014-04-04 14:36:27 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
I can't believe this thread is still going. Can't you mouth breathing sociopath gankers find an interesting way to play the game. Besides the immorallity of ganking - it's just easy mode crap. Grow up, get a life and make something of yourselves.


You do know im not going to let you troll, right?

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Solecist Project
#276 - 2014-04-04 15:55:05 UTC
Am I the only one here who actually understands the problem?

Too many ships get ganked too easy!

It hurts the game!


We should permaban all these victims who make it look like idiots are playing this game!

Less victims, less ganks!



Problem solved!

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#277 - 2014-04-04 16:28:15 UTC
They only have to read the thread to see the truth of it. You sir have now accrued 2.45 demerits for fun spoilage.

Side not (sorry to the OP - the sensless slaughter must end) are you actually in your corps wh or just part of a corp that has a wh?
Becca Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#278 - 2014-04-04 19:23:21 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Becca Dallocort wrote:
It is really very sad when gankers, think they are elite pvper's, they live in high sec because if they where to live in nullsec they would be the victims, they are really very sad people in real life, so they choose to use their frustration against others, i know that this will be trolled but i dont care, cause i live in nullsec, where i face real pvper's not the cowards of highsec piracy and ganking. So do whatever you want, but remember this, as much as you tell yourself that you are the big fish, you are just alittle minnow compared to nullsec, and i dont care how many roams and what links you post, the fact remains, you dont have the fortitude to live there on a permanent basis.


Look, another "I think nullsec is the endgame" post.

Fail.



actually i you are the fail, come up with something original to post, if you prefer to pvp in highsec it is your choice, i know the risks when i undock, but since you can't seem to understand a post, i do fell sorry for you, i will use little words so your head doesnt hurt from trying to understand big ones.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#279 - 2014-04-04 20:51:57 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
I can't believe this thread is still going. Can't you mouth breathing sociopath gankers find an interesting way to play the game.
Getting real tired of seeing this "you're a sociopath" line of bullshit; it's a game FFS. Ganking is interesting btw, maybe not to you, but certainly to others.

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Besides the immorallity of ganking - it's just easy mode crap. Grow up, get a life and make something of yourselves.
How is it immoral?
How do you suggest that gankers grow up, get a life and make something of themselves, bearing in mind of course that Eve is a game, not RL?

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#280 - 2014-04-04 22:05:48 UTC
Becca Dallocort wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Becca Dallocort wrote:
It is really very sad when gankers, think they are elite pvper's, they live in high sec because if they where to live in nullsec they would be the victims, they are really very sad people in real life, so they choose to use their frustration against others, i know that this will be trolled but i dont care, cause i live in nullsec, where i face real pvper's not the cowards of highsec piracy and ganking. So do whatever you want, but remember this, as much as you tell yourself that you are the big fish, you are just alittle minnow compared to nullsec, and i dont care how many roams and what links you post, the fact remains, you dont have the fortitude to live there on a permanent basis.


Look, another "I think nullsec is the endgame" post.

Fail.



actually i you are the fail, come up with something original to post, if you prefer to pvp in highsec it is your choice, i know the risks when i undock, but since you can't seem to understand a post, i do fell sorry for you, i will use little words so your head doesnt hurt from trying to understand big ones.


Oh I do so love these. Where to start....Oh.. here we go. First, I dont PVP in highsec. I dont live in Highsec. I barely set foot there unless I get a connecting WH. Secondly, since you wish to brag about your "use of big words", I guess we should address your usage of lowercase letters to start sentences, bad spelling and the fact that your post is one long run-on.

Just so you do realize this, nullsec is pretty much the safest of all security zones. So, get nullsec's balls out of your mouth. (The large asteroids, of course!)

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment