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Cruelty can be harmful, a word of warning from the wife of a long term eve player.

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The Snowman
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2011-11-30 12:48:33 UTC
When a man is this passionate about something, he cant help but talk about it. So its impossible to believe he's never told you about these people he calls friends, or at least talked about them.

unless even his own wife cares so little about his social life, his hobby's and his passions that he doesn't even feel like he can talk to her, then the cruelty doesn't come from his friends, it comes from his estranged wife.
Nex apparatu5
Blackwood Co.
#42 - 2011-11-30 14:50:16 UTC
This thread is amazing. I can't stop laughing.
SpaceSquirrels
#43 - 2011-11-30 15:35:47 UTC
Dont seek the internet for compassion, empathy or the like. People with more ire than you will seek it out and in fact be more cruel.

That's pretty ****** up when you think about it, but true. I would say seek real life things to legitimately improve ones life. Cause the internet dont give no hugs.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#44 - 2011-11-30 18:21:50 UTC
Vachir Khan wrote:
It's a game, if someone perceives it to be more than just a game then that person needs his priorities checked. There are ofcourse things like friendships and all that but in the end it's still just a game about space pixels.


'It's a game' is never an excuse for treating someone so badly. Ever.

Actions have consequinces, and the people we hurt in this game are real people -- but sadly, a great many of us lack the emotional maturity and/or intellectual capacity to understand such a simple concept.

I'm saddened that this had to happen, and disgusted to see people trying to justify a tragedy with such a pathetic excuse.

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Nex apparatu5
Blackwood Co.
#45 - 2011-11-30 19:31:16 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Vachir Khan wrote:
It's a game, if someone perceives it to be more than just a game then that person needs his priorities checked. There are ofcourse things like friendships and all that but in the end it's still just a game about space pixels.


'It's a game' is never an excuse for treating someone so badly. Ever.

Actions have consequinces, and the people we hurt in this game are real people -- but sadly, a great many of us lack the emotional maturity and/or intellectual capacity to understand such a simple concept.

I'm saddened that this had to happen, and disgusted to see people trying to justify a tragedy with such a pathetic excuse.


It's a game is the perfect excuse. This game revolves around backstabbing, betrayal and destruction.

Crying on the forums that you were betrayed is like a boxer complaining that they got punched. It comes with the game.
Selinate
#46 - 2011-11-30 19:39:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Selinate
Nex apparatu5 wrote:


It's a game is the perfect excuse. This game revolves around backstabbing, betrayal and destruction.

Crying on the forums that you were betrayed is like a boxer complaining that they got punched. It comes with the game.



Yeah, I totally agree. Just read this story.ABCnews. *** totally deserved it, I mean, it is the internet. The internet relies on trolling and flaming, therefor, the bullies can't be held responsible at all.

Same thing with this game. It totally relies on flaming, trolling, and backstabbing, therefor you should do it as much as you can, there's no problem there. Even if you know the person is having a rough time, call him a noob and tell him he should quit the game because he sucks so bad.

The above is the biggest copout you Eve/forum nerds can come up with to be dicks. Man up and think about what you're doing sometimes...
Feilamya
#47 - 2011-11-30 19:53:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Feilamya
Pi Muka wrote:
He told me he was betrayed by people he considered good friends. Apparently while my husband was in rehab fighting to save his life and his family the people who he believed were his friends kicked him out of the 'company' he was a member of and took everything he owned in game. He said they betrayed him and tried to ransom him for the few remaining things he had stuck in there space.

WRONG: He was betrayed.
RIGHT: He lost in a game.

WRONG: He was "betrayed" by his friends
RIGHT: Those people were other characters in the game, played by real people he has never met and doesn't know personally.

WRONG: He was "betrayed".
RIGHT: His character was robbed by other characters.

...

Always remember:
- Your ingame character is not you.
- The ingame characters played by other players are not them.
- Your character's stuff is not yours.
- Your character's friends are not your friends.
- Nothing that happens inside the game world is real.
- For the sake of sanity, consider all metagaming as part of the game, or avoid metagaming altogether.


You don't agree? Then don't play games.
Nex apparatu5
Blackwood Co.
#48 - 2011-11-30 20:08:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nex apparatu5
Selinate wrote:
Words

I'm not even going to point out all the logical fallacies here, because holy ****.

If someone has an issue with playing video games, they need to deal with it, it's not my problem.

I don't care if a person says they're rich IRL or dying of cancer. If I steal their carrier, I'm not giving it back.

Stealth Edit:
Selinate wrote:
The above is the biggest copout you Eve/forum nerds can come up with to be dicks. Man up and think about what you're doing sometimes...


No, we're dicks because being dicks is fun, and being a **** in a video game has little/no consequences. We know exactly what we're doing.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#49 - 2011-11-30 21:06:39 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:


No, we're dicks because being dicks is fun, and being a **** in a video game has little/no consequences. We know exactly what we're doing.


So, I can walk up and punch someone in the face during a football match? After all, it's just a football game, right? There're no consequinces in a game, are there?

What's that? You've been charged with assault?

Hey, just tell the judge it was only a game. He'll probably let you off with a warning, huh?

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Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#50 - 2011-11-30 21:16:11 UTC
What some people don't get is, that in a game like EVE were practically everything is allowed, you are still not forced to be an *******.

If you decide to steal and scam then it is not the game that made you do it, the decision was yours and yes, you are an *******, even if you pretend otherwise in the real world.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.

Barakkus
#51 - 2011-11-30 21:23:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Barakkus
XIRUSPHERE wrote:

If someone is suffering an addiction an MMO is really not the place to spend their time either as they are in their nature inherently an addictive activity.


Depends on the person.
Discovering MMOs actually probably saved my life. I fought with drug addiction for about 10 years until I discovered MMOs. Between MMOs and my wife, I've been clean for around 9 years now.

Btw, EVE is not the game he should be playing if he's at a rather vulnerable point in his life. I'm not trolling or whatever, but he'd be better off playing WoW or EQ2 or Vanguard or Conan or Star Trek Online or something more tame right now.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc

Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2011-11-30 21:28:24 UTC
I can see why someone having problems with prescription painkillers could end up in trouble if events in game pissed them off, I am guessing it wasn't a deliberate overdose. OP mentions he was in rehab, the dudes tolerance was probably lower and after getting mad it sounds like he took his "normal" dose and went over.

I have some sympathy if it isn't a troll but on the other hand its not the fault of the players that scammed him either.
Barakkus
#53 - 2011-11-30 21:32:05 UTC
Feilamya wrote:


Always remember:
- Your ingame character is not you.
- The ingame characters played by other players are not them.
- Your character's stuff is not yours.
- Your character's friends are not your friends.
- Nothing that happens inside the game world is real.
- For the sake of sanity, consider all metagaming as part of the game, or avoid metagaming altogether.


You don't agree? Then don't play games.


Um no. I've actually made some pretty good friends over the last 7 or 8 years gaming that I would not have met if it hadn't been for gaming.

What I will agree about is no one you meet in EVE should be trusted with anything that would affect you personally because you're all a bunch of fucks. Pirate

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#54 - 2011-11-30 21:50:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
If this is a real post and not a troll, then it's proof that "griefing" as it's called is in fact a metagame experience and not having anything to do with the actual game. Most griefers will never admit to who and what they are, and will always blame everything from the environment ("This is EvE", "This is a sandbox") to blaming the victim. These are the marks of true sociopaths and the world is full of them with more being made every day by not being able to handle crossing paths with existing sociopaths.

Hence the mystery to me, where I wonder if the griefers are people taking RL tendencies to a game, or if they are the victims of other RL greifers (Show us on the files where the tax collector touched your income. Show us on your pay stub where your ex wife garnered most of your income, Show us on your criminal record where the cop beat you up for no reason and charged you with assault, etc) who, having no power in RL to get back at their tormenters, come to the game to get some kind of satisfaction of doing unto others.

The world, going to hell in a handbasket and filling up with people who desperately need to burn, is giving birth to a new sick rule of "do unto others before they do it to you". May the heavens fall.


Otherwise, if this is a troll post, I must say it's a very creative yet predictable one.



Edit regarding painkillers - these drugs should be avoided AT ALL COSTS. If you get shot and need morphine in the field, that's all well and good, but any prescription painkiller should be avoided. I have seen people get unnecessary surgery where their knee, back, elbow, or whatever, actually FEELS like it hurts because their body is so hooked on the stuff it creates pain that needs painkillers. For immediate traumatic injury yes, let them use morphine or knock you out, but don't let your doctor prescribe that stuff, ever, and stay away from it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Barakkus
#55 - 2011-11-30 22:40:35 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Edit regarding painkillers - these drugs should be avoided AT ALL COSTS. If you get shot and need morphine in the field, that's all well and good, but any prescription painkiller should be avoided. I have seen people get unnecessary surgery where their knee, back, elbow, or whatever, actually FEELS like it hurts because their body is so hooked on the stuff it creates pain that needs painkillers. For immediate traumatic injury yes, let them use morphine or knock you out, but don't let your doctor prescribe that stuff, ever, and stay away from it.


I'v gone with what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger for the last 10 years and have refused pain meds unless ABSOLUTELY necessary from my doctor. I won't even take an asprin/tylenol/advil whatever when I have some sort of discomfort just because I know I'm weak when it comes to drugs. :)

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc

Froz3nEcho Sarain
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2011-11-30 22:54:13 UTC
I like the way how people negatively react about 'friends' in an online game. When you talk to each-other during chat or hear each-other with a mic or even see each-other with a webcam it becomes pretty damn real.

Some people that I met in a online game are now great friends of my and yes we see each-other in real life altho the distance can be problem sometimes.

[i]~ When everything fades away, an echo is the only sound that will remain ~   ~ Chaos is a name for any order that produces confusion in our minds ~[/i]

Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#57 - 2011-11-30 23:05:43 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
I am not arguing. That everyone strong, witty and creative dont feel. But true AI well programmed will actually beat them every time.
There is no much difference in thinking between human-being and AI, apart the fact that AI is more capable to adapt.


AI has nothing on human intellect. Maybe in 100 years, but nothing close to human intelligence exists right now. In certain circumstances, an AI can remember a longer list of previous moves and base its decision on the most likely outcome, but no AI is currently capable of supplanting human intelligence and the nuances of understanding and comprehension we possess. Not to mention that computers are terrible at adapting. In fact, we usually have to do this for them. Humans on the other hand have existed for a couple of million years, so we must be doing something right.

The strong, witty and creative feel plenty and probably derive more enjoyment from executing well though-out plans and schemes than the mindless drones shooting red crosses afk.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#58 - 2011-12-01 00:21:39 UTC
Barakkus wrote:

I'v gone with what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger for the last 10 years and have refused pain meds unless ABSOLUTELY necessary from my doctor. I won't even take an asprin/tylenol/advil whatever when I have some sort of discomfort just because I know I'm weak when it comes to drugs. :)


I can certainly understand your position, but I do have to raise the general objection that if your body hurts, it's because something is wrong and it needs to be fixed. It remains your decision to take medication or not (and I'm not attempting to dispute that right), but don't let personal pride get in the way of sound judgement.

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Pi Muka
Doomheim
#59 - 2011-12-01 04:02:12 UTC
hello everyone

I wanted to thank everyone who spoke in support of why I am so upset by this.

My husband is OK, he has returned to treatment and will likely be in there through christmas. His relapse is his own doing regardless of his reasons for it he acknowledges this.

I also have managed to find out the name of the group which my husband was apart of and who stole everything from him but I am torn between what I want to do and what I know he wants and doesn't want.

I know that he would be displeased for me to say anything but I want nothing more than to expose the people who could be so cold as to do this.

Remember real people exist behind the computer.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#60 - 2011-12-01 04:17:03 UTC
Pi Muka wrote:

I know that he would be displeased for me to say anything but I want nothing more than to expose the people who could be so cold as to do this.


Right now, you're (quite justifiably) upset. I don't blame you, honestly.

In my opinion, you've exposed them already with your initial post; if they were that callous to begin with, chances are confronting them directly would only make you a target as well.

Glad to hear your husband's doing well, by the way. Hope his recovery is speedy and without further incident.

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