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30% fighter bombers damage nerf?
CCP Fozzie, are u mad?

If you want to create less server load, you need to incentivize carrier pilots to utilize fighters and fighter-bombers over standard sentry (etc.) drones - and this doesn't achieve that. This is a huge nerf for both carriers and supercarriers because they will have to fit two drone damage amplifiers just to achieve the same DPS. Fighter damage should be left as is, plus the new bonuses from drone skills and the special supercarrier bonus (where applicable).

And why aren't these being posted as a sticky under Features and Ideas?

And that's a bad thing?

Also, from what I read, only SCs will need the two DDAs. Carriers will just need Interfacing V (which they should already have).

So you just made the Aeon king of super carriers. It will be able to out tank and out dmg the Nyx now. GG Fozzie ******* **** up as usual.

Well to honest Wyvern is the new king with a higher EHP and able to fit all the mods in lows. however not many super pilots are wyvern users and most people that have proper shield skills are carebears.

So yes the Aeon just beat the NYX.

Also since you are messing with drones. Would you be a true hero and just remove all electronic warfare drones from the game. Thanks.

No seriously, remove them. Every single one of them is complete trash except ECM which due to the mechanics of ECM, turns every ship with a drone bay into a diet Falcon. It breaks the game on so many levels it is not even remotely fun.

After the refining nerf/crap blog I was scared to even look at these changes.

Outside of fighters/bombers, which I dont use and wont comment on, the drone changes at least make sense. I wont give you a thumbs up, but I will say that since Ammar drones wont be worth reprocessing, at least they will have a use in the game.

This change will likely make shield super more popular as you can stack damage and Cap mods in the lows and shield tank in the meds now. Mind you, the Hel is still terrible so prehaps will get balanced by CCP sometime in the next decade.
The changes to fighters and fighter bombers means they now have a higher alpha, should be more interesting.


Once again everyone is jumping on the bandwagon and crying nerf! but as half of you likely haven't read the dev blog in detail you still likely haven't realised that the whole point of it is to make the skill less confusing, although trying to figure out what drones are covered by the racial drone skill is a task in itself.

While this is a buff for Shield Carriers/Supers, one must remember, that Caps only exist in fleets. To make them successful, you need a fleet of them to cross rep each other and keep each other up. The problem is, no one uses Shield Caps. I mean they are out there, but in small numbers.

The only way to make Shields viable in this area would be to make them OP, so that alliances would train up for and build shield cap fleets, then they could rebalance them back to being in line with Armour and both fleets would exist finally.

Until then, or some alliance really decided to make the commitment, shield caps/supers will remain an oddity on the battle field. Regardless of how much more DPS they might be able to field with this change, if there isn't enough of them to provide the reps to keep them alive, then it's moot. Who cares if a Chimera does 20% more DPS than a Thanny, then it dies twice as fast.

I've run the numbers on Nyx vs Aeon after the changes, specifically looking at their role in fleet fights and capital ganks. As far as I can see the Aeon now wins every time.

With the changes to drone damage amps the aeon can have the DPS the Nyx used to have, and also have a better tank at the same time. Unless you want to do some kind of comedy "max dps" fit there will be little reason to ever choose a Nyx over an Aeon.

Details:

An aeon with two drone damage amps fit will get around 29.7m EHP (implants, no boosts). With two drone damage amps it will do ~43% above base damage. A nyx with full tank fit gets around 28.7 million EHP, and does 25% above base damage (hull bonus).

What if we want to put a DDA on the nyx? Now it tanks 23.4 million. That's equivalent to an aeon with 3 DDAs. The aeon is now doing 56% above base damage. The Nyx is doing 48% above base damage. Again, the aeon wins on tank and damage.

If we add a second DDA to the nyx, it now edges out ahead in DPS of an aeon with 4 DDAs, though the aeon still wins in tank.

The aeon tanks better, it has higher resists and it does more DPS in 90% of situations. It also has the extremely valuable remote cap transfer range bonus and the option to refit to a huge tank. The nyx has an additional 5 spare fighters (or 2 bombers), an extra midslot, and the comparatively useless shield transfer range bonus. It can't match the aeon's tank in any situation.

The spare midslot on the nyx could be used for damage application, though there is no midslot module that will significantly affect fighter bomber damage. The midslot can be used for cap rechargers, but the aeon can use cap power relays which are substantially better (while still maintaining equal DPS and superior tank).

After these changes we may see a decrease in ship diversity as people switch to Aeons.