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Something need to be done to stop the massacre of missioning ships and minning barges in hisec
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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#241 - 2014-02-17 12:41:28 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
market pvp is boring. yeah you're pitting your isk pile against some other dudes isk pile, but is it really pvp? i've done some market shinanigans over the years. it doesn't compare to actual space ship vs space ship combat between players.


For last 2 months i'm ganking some FW farmers. Some would say actual ship vs ship combat is more interesting/engaging/honourable/etc....

However there is 2 things about it:
- FW LP farmer doesn't play to 'actual pvp' so killing him and making him lose stuff makes him angry and mad.
- kill FW LP farmer you get expensive stuff
- 'Actual PvP player' in his condor/kestrel/other gay-mobile worth 1 million needs a lot more effort to kill him and costs zero to victim. Most of the time he won't feel anything about this loss.

So at the end it is more funny to kill those unprepared farmers, collect stuff and tears than wasting my precious time fighting worthless ships of 'actual pvp player'.

Speaking about market pvp you aren't right too: losing market pvp you can lose TON of ISK. Which is considerable more than you could lose by losing you special pvp ship. This makes this kind of pvp more risky and more fun.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#242 - 2014-02-17 13:08:08 UTC
I'll agree there is such a thing as market pvp when you can point my wallet and force me to out buy/sell you. Until then you are wrong.
Loko Crackhead
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#243 - 2014-02-17 13:37:50 UTC
Roll I wouldn't give a f*** about HS ganking even if I'd had a pocket full of f***s. Yeah, fly cheap, don't bling, and all the other ****** advises. What get's on my nerves is the level of hypocrisy of the gankers that use HTFU acronym. People that risk very little value and take a very slim risk even then talk about HTFU like they are solo flying Nyx-es or something. Chill dudes, do what you are doing but get the f*** down from your high horses. You are the virtual variant of the thug that knocks you silly from behind late at night, difference is that those don't brag about it in bright daylight the next day. Now HTFU and go into low-NPC null where the PvPers live.

Only reason for why this is encouraged, by the latest development changes, is as a driver for the economy. Nobody at CCP doesn't give a crap about this one way or the other, except as an economical regulator.

P.S. Yes I'm posting with an alt so you begrudging SOBs don't come after my dudes Cool.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#244 - 2014-02-17 23:22:29 UTC
Loko Crackhead wrote:
Roll I wouldn't give a f*** about HS ganking even if I'd had a pocket full of f***s. Yeah, fly cheap, don't bling, and all the other ****** advises. What get's on my nerves is the level of hypocrisy of the gankers that use HTFU acronym. People that risk very little value and take a very slim risk even then talk about HTFU like they are solo flying Nyx-es or something. Chill dudes, do what you are doing but get the f*** down from your high horses. You are the virtual variant of the thug that knocks you silly from behind late at night, difference is that those don't brag about it in bright daylight the next day. Now HTFU and go into low-NPC null where the PvPers live.

Only reason for why this is encouraged, by the latest development changes, is as a driver for the economy. Nobody at CCP doesn't give a crap about this one way or the other, except as an economical regulator.

P.S. Yes I'm posting with an alt so you begrudging SOBs don't come after my dudes Cool.

I'm confused, we fly cheap ships that don't cost much, so we can't advise other people to do the same? If you're going to fly a deadspace fit pirate battleship or T3, then understand that people want your stuff. Its as simple as that. I don't fly stuff that people are willing to gank for precisely that reason. It seems stupid to rack up a bunch of kill rights and then fly anything that I care about.

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Lippstadt Creed
Solyaris Chtonium
#245 - 2014-02-22 09:25:25 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
He's talking about a pimp mission BS jumping into Apanake and getting whacked. There really isn't a way to avoid that engagement. You may survive it, but you won't avoid it.

Please read the thread for comprehension.

It will keep me from picturing you with big floppy shoes and a red honk honk nose.


That or a freighter in to Poinen or Uedama...
oohthey ioh
Doomheim
#246 - 2014-04-01 16:53:42 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Cybercrusher wrote:
I think this is unbalanced with mining ships. Orca and other mining ships do not have good defenses. I had all my drones from all 3 mining ships and 2 ships took all 3 of my ships, this is not very balanced. I do think that mining ships should be immune from Webifiers and Warp Disruption. I say this because they are slow and can not get away from the bubble of the field before they are taken out. This make it very easy for anyone to take you out. Bottom line there needs to be something out there that would help miners out. Please look into this or if there is something out there, then I have not found it and would like to have someone help me with that. Thanks.

Try being at the keyboard, fitting a tank and not being an easy mark.

The Mackinaw can pack a reasonable tank. The Procurer and Skiff can pack so much tank that they're undesirable targets from an economic point of view.

The Orca can pack scary scary amounts of tank, boost the resistances of the rest of the fleet and generally be a tough nut to crack, as long as you don't go the "lets eat up half of my ehp with cargo expanders" route.

Your defence consists of being harder to kill than the other guy, and being able to last longer than the time it takes for Concord to drop the doughnuts and answer the blap-phone.

Obviously anything, no matter the tank, will die if enough people decides that it needs to, not being the person who annoyed them enough to do so is usually a good idea.

As for immune to warp disruption? They don't need a scram or a disrupter to stop you warping.

Immune to webs? You don't want to be immune to webs, when you figure out why this is the case you'll realise just how dumb that suggestion was.



you know he was joking?
oohthey ioh
Doomheim
#247 - 2014-04-01 17:02:22 UTC
Mojo Joo wrote:
A gang of only 12 destroyers did 1500 billions damage in few weeks:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Megamaks+T44

Look on this and notice that something looks very wrong there... also notice how much money they make from the loot they get...

This guys effectively do a genocide between people who do missions, and if CCP not change something, i bet that at this rate of killings they will gone lose a lot of subscribers.

Is very obvious that is way to easy to kill very expensive ships in very cheap ones, and moreover, with new dumb pro-piracy feature of sec status instant boost, using pirate insignias, gankers can get security status back instant, and keep going on suicide gank ships at infinitum as long is very profitable too.

They cannot be stopped in that cheap and fast ships, killrights dont have any use because of same reasons...
So guys take care and brick tank your ships, but that will not help to much as long they use enough destroyers...



Suicide ganking is good for the game, it get the market rolling , adds risk to to traders and in this case mission runner and that's what CCP .

and it probably makes more money for ccp as people are making accounts to do this...

What you are saying "Chess is unbalanced lets make it so prawns can't be attacked by Queens, **** it make it so prawns can't be attacked at all"
Becca Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#248 - 2014-04-01 17:12:32 UTC
It is really very sad when gankers, think they are elite pvper's, they live in high sec because if they where to live in nullsec they would be the victims, they are really very sad people in real life, so they choose to use their frustration against others, i know that this will be trolled but i dont care, cause i live in nullsec, where i face real pvper's not the cowards of highsec piracy and ganking. So do whatever you want, but remember this, as much as you tell yourself that you are the big fish, you are just alittle minnow compared to nullsec, and i dont care how many roams and what links you post, the fact remains, you dont have the fortitude to live there on a permanent basis.
oohthey ioh
Doomheim
#249 - 2014-04-01 18:13:47 UTC
Becca Dallocort wrote:
It is really very sad when gankers, think they are elite pvper's, they live in high sec because if they where to live in nullsec they would be the victims, they are really very sad people in real life, so they choose to use their frustration against others, i know that this will be trolled but i dont care, cause i live in nullsec, where i face real pvper's not the cowards of highsec piracy and ganking. So do whatever you want, but remember this, as much as you tell yourself that you are the big fish, you are just alittle minnow compared to nullsec, and i dont care how many roams and what links you post, the fact remains, you dont have the fortitude to live there on a permanent basis.



how can you say the people are sad in real life? i have not seen one of them claim to be elite, they do because it's good isk?!?!
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#250 - 2014-04-01 19:11:27 UTC
So... what I'm reading is that the OP doesn't want to do anything about in game, or has given up and trusts that because he is a valued subscriber, CCP would do something about it for him out of game?

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#251 - 2014-04-01 19:36:59 UTC
Suffering from ganks by multiple players at once?
Tired of loosing your deadspace fit battleships?
Then boy do I have the thing for you. Friends!(tm), with Friends! you can fly across the cluster and mission in your blinged out boat to your heart's content.

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Becca Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#252 - 2014-04-01 20:31:31 UTC


how can you say the people are sad in real life? i have not seen one of them claim to be elite, they do because it's good isk?!?! [/quote]


no they do it because it makes them feel better about there lifes, i have been ganked before learned my lesson, you are a troll you get joy from other peoples frustration, its all part of the game but you are one of the people that dont like when your flaws are pointed out to you, i can have my own opinion like you have yours, its a game not real life.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#253 - 2014-04-01 21:14:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Becca Dallocort wrote:
It is really very sad when gankers, think they are elite pvper's, they live in high sec because if they where to live in nullsec they would be the victims, they are really very sad people in real life, so they choose to use their frustration against others, i know that this will be trolled but i dont care, cause i live in nullsec, where i face real pvper's not the cowards of highsec piracy and ganking. So do whatever you want, but remember this, as much as you tell yourself that you are the big fish, you are just alittle minnow compared to nullsec, and i dont care how many roams and what links you post, the fact remains, you dont have the fortitude to live there on a permanent basis.


Hi,

The predominant entity doing this at the moment is Goonswarm, TNT + allies*. Would you say Goonswarm qualifies as a nullsec alliance, wise and brave posting alt?
We go into a mission hub and gank every mission ship till there's no targets left, it's pretty fun, you should try it. Think we're tagging about 50bil+ per session at the moment. You really learn to value the pro's of being in highsec, where a fleet of suicide ships + combat probes can be on short-scan for several minutes at a time without the mission runner doing anything to save himself.

I would recommend going to features and ideas, and asking CCP to allow mission ships to fit "warp drives" - we have to admit use of these would fool us more often than not, and if CCP would help out there you would be pretty safe. Heck, they should probably just build them into all hulls.

* - other elite PVPers are also doing this, though. I would normally shy away from that term, but we have like a 99.99% isk effeciency on these things, so I think it applies.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#254 - 2014-04-01 21:18:18 UTC
At first I thought Dscan and common sense were not allowed in highsec, like cynos and things. But I tried both and they worked. I know both see very little use, but I recommend them.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

oohthey ioh
Doomheim
#255 - 2014-04-01 21:41:20 UTC  |  Edited by: oohthey ioh
Becca Dallocort wrote:


Quote:
how can you say the people are sad in real life? i have not seen one of them claim to be elite, they do because it's good isk?!?!



no they do it because it makes them feel better about there lifes, i have been ganked before learned my lesson, you are a troll you get joy from other peoples frustration, its all part of the game but you are one of the people that dont like when your flaws are pointed out to you, i can have my own opinion like you have yours, its a game not real life.

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point out one flaw i made baring spelling and grammer.

and you are judging and insulting people over the Internet, what make you think i am getting enjoyment out of this? what if i got frustrated with you calling people you don't know sad?


have you ever heard people say:
Quote:
The loneliest people are the kindest. The saddest people smile the brightest. The most damaged people are the wisest. All because they do not wish to see anyone else suffer the way they do.


No idea if it's true or not but I can relate to it more then what you said, i don't gank when feeling depressed i go and keep to myself or help people out.
Becca Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#256 - 2014-04-01 22:47:18 UTC
You are quick to say that i am judging and insulting people, but you are judging me. I'm merely expressing my opinion like you and the above member or goonswarm, it is a game meant to played how you want it to be, but it is also true that the trolls of the internet, get joy from making others miserable, thats a fact, and i know you want a link to were i came up with that answer, simply google trolling and you will see, as for large alliances it is hit or miss, you have the good with bad, and as for you quote, no i don't believe it.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#257 - 2014-04-02 00:32:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
oohthey ioh wrote:
you know he was joking?
Actually he wasn't, he eve-mailed after I posted thanking me for my post, and told me that he was looking at improving his fits with the aim of being harder to kill than the guy next to him.

In my eyes that was my good deed for the day done.

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John XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#258 - 2014-04-02 01:11:36 UTC
I remember this one time I was out on my own doing something stupid when I ran into some people who started shooting me. Of course I started bleating for HALP when my CEO said something pretty shocking.

"Die quietly."

After I thought about it for awhile I came to realize that that was the best advice I've ever been given in EvE. I'm at least 50% less stupid now. You can be too if you use your brain and maybe study EvE mechanics to puzzle out solutions instead of bleating on the forums.

Good luck

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Matogg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#259 - 2014-04-02 01:47:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Matogg
See below .
Matogg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#260 - 2014-04-02 01:48:45 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Becca Dallocort wrote:
It is really very sad when gankers, think they are elite pvper's, they live in high sec because if they where to live in nullsec they would be the victims, they are really very sad people in real life, so they choose to use their frustration against others, i know that this will be trolled but i dont care, cause i live in nullsec, where i face real pvper's not the cowards of highsec piracy and ganking. So do whatever you want, but remember this, as much as you tell yourself that you are the big fish, you are just alittle minnow compared to nullsec, and i dont care how many roams and what links you post, the fact remains, you dont have the fortitude to live there on a permanent basis.


Hi,

The predominant entity doing this at the moment is Goonswarm, TNT + allies*. Would you say Goonswarm qualifies as a nullsec alliance, wise and brave posting alt?
We go into a mission hub and gank every mission ship till there's no targets left, it's pretty fun, you should try it. Think we're tagging about 50bil+ per session at the moment. You really learn to value the pro's of being in highsec, where a fleet of suicide ships + combat probes can be on short-scan for several minutes at a time without the mission runner doing anything to save himself.


You could very well qualify to be the the poster boy of why I believe that the only REAL solution to the organized hi sec ganker "problem" is the total banning of anybody using one or more ships to GANK in high security space . For the overall good of the game , of course .

Goonswarm is debatably the most powerful of the null sec alliances [since absorbing B.O.B. ] and still you covet high sec .
To the best of my knowledge Goonswarm was the 1st to look at it as a business venture . Your "Hulkageddon" and "Burn Jita" brainstorms have done nothing but cause confusion , fear and price raises throughout the game of EvE . The 1st ckokepoint camp , [Uedama] , that i can recall seeing was Goonswarm also .

You've done precious little to make the game of EvE a better one and that is why I recommend for any gank consisting of 2 or more ships in high sec the perps get a 14 day ban for 1st offense , a 30 day ban for 2nd offense and a permanent BOOT for anything more . Lets see how many perps go all the way to #3 . Not many I'll bet !