EVE General Discussion

I'm on it right now, hauling stuff through highsec on my alt. It's pretty easy alt-tabbing to eve to click the next gate and select warp, then alt-tab back here, and because I have multimonitor, I can watch my overview for threats while perusing the forums. So I'm not even afk, just multitasking.

Don't you just love it how all these Erotica alts and fan boys keep failing to mention how they made fun of his speech impediment.

I'm just wondering when CCP is going to give their official response. It's been 3 days now....

By the way guys, no it's not fine to make fun of people in such ways, seriously WTF is wrong you all?

Can someone please tell me what gives these people the right to do this? You can argue all you want that it doesn't clash with the EULA/TOS, but still I'm listening and I really hope CCP is as well.

I couldn't care less if you guys bought the victim back into teamspeak and hashed things out acting as all everything is cool. I, like many others take this as a grain of salt. Even though you have attempted to throw this under the rug, the issue is now big enough many will trip over it, it can no longer be ignored.

If it were me, I'd abolish all accounts involved in this "Bonus Room" and make it very clear to everyone in the community that this is not acceptable.

If your going to scam someone, go for it. But please don't follow in Eroticas footsteps and publicly humiliate and bully others.

This individual is just making a mockery out of this community and attracting bad attention to an otherwise great game.

Entirely correct. Its called "due process".

Ive mentioned it twice, but then again, Im neither an alt nor a boy so I suppose it doest count

When sec status means trade hubs are a no-go and wardecs limit solo movement on your main, you can use a neutral alt for getting stuff like new ships and modules. You don't even have to create a new account, just use one of the two remaining character slots provided on your existing one.

Brilliant, Hate that I went to sleep and missed all of this lol.

I keep making this "outside of EVE=cannot be policed" statement, and I realise some of you just might not understand what I'm talking about. I'm going to whip out muh smrts here, and see if I can't explain


Two important concepts when dealing with information. Authentication and Non-repudiation. Authentication says "I'm allowed to access this data". Non-repudiation says "I am who I say I am.".

In this context, CCP has non-repudiation on exactly one thing. Access to it's services. When I log on to CCPs services (or visit fanfest), CCP knows that LAF is me. The second I leave CCP's services, I now have repudiation of identity. LAF on tumblr may not be me. LAF on facebook may not be me. LAF on SA.com may not be me. CCP doesn't know. Even if I come right out and say "LAF on Facebook and EVE are the same person", CCP *STILL* does not know, legally, if it's the same person.

The EULA is a legal document. It has to be looked at from a legal standpoint. A ban is a legal action taken to terminate the contract. If CCP takes action on an account based on a third party set of information, they are taking the risk that the account holder will turn around and say "That's not me". That would be...quite the snafu. IIrC, Linden lab, the Secondlife owners, used to take action on accounts via third party information, and they got nailed in court for it.


I'll give a mildly outlandish example. Lets just say Ero gets banned. He takes it to court. All Ero's lawyer has to do is say "CCP, what proof do you have that the voice on that recording is actually my client's?"

Lets say I get banned, because CCP really doesn't like the posts I make about Dust 514 on my blog. I take it to court, my lawyer says "CCP, prove that the person who maintains that blog is also my client."

It's that simple.

Here's an alternative way to context this, since some have difficulty distinguishing where EVE ends and the outside world begins:

Think of the entirety of the EVE player population existing under one universal umbrella Corp/Alliance/Coalition called "Everyone".

A significant proportion of these players don't like what you are doing as a member of their/this Corp/Alliance/Coalition called "Everyone" that comprises the entirety of the community of this game.

By expressing their opinion, and taking various forms of actions that are open to them, they are effectively trying to AWOX you out of the Corp/Alliance/Coalition called "Everyone" that comprises the entirety of the community of this game.

They don't want you here in this Corp. They want you to gtfo and go to another Corp.

You can still be who you are, still play how you want, but you can go do it instead in another "Everyone" Corp, in another game and be their problem instead.

You can tell me whatever you want. The recording is there, people can make their own minds up. And to have the nerve of saying that they didn't do this.... yeah right, do pigs fly as well?

Also, it's always convenient to claim you had a speech impediment as well right? I couldn't care less if you did or didn't, it doesn't make this whole thing any less wrong then what it is.

I'm not even sure why I even bothered replying to you anyway, you have been a broken record with a weak argument for the last 20 pages now.

But what if their objection is the very reason I LIKE doing it here?

And they have no power to extract me as I neverdock? And I dont care about losing a ship?