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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7421 - 2014-03-28 10:47:21 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Some Goons crying about humiliating people on the Internets!!!! Oh the hilarity. LolLolLol


That is the point. Some people hate the goons, other love them, many people honestly couldn't care less, however when it comes to scamming and the whole HTFU, the goons are by far top of the pile.

Yet even the goons, the guys who have taken scamming to whole new level, even they find what E1 does wrong, kicked him and banned him.

That should tell you something about E1's actions.


Why Goons do something tells you absolutely nothing.

Never trust a Goon.

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Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#7422 - 2014-03-28 10:47:27 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:

So even Goonswarm, the leading group in emergent gameplay, metagaming and scamming did not agreed with your actions, that says something.

With more than 12,500 members in GSF it's a safe bet that you will find people who support Ero and others who oppose him. You could probably even find a few ignorants who never heard of him.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#7423 - 2014-03-28 10:48:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
Alp Khan wrote:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Widot is a member corporation in the alliance called, you know, Goonswarm Federation. (GSF)


Yeah, as I'm pretty sure a CEO of a corp in an alliance can only kick players in his/her corp and not kick players from other corps in the same alliance. But you know that and are just trolling/trying to keep the flames alive.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Prince Kobol
#7424 - 2014-03-28 10:48:57 UTC
Asia Leigh wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Your mistake was using the EVE client to blackmail me. You should have kept it all out of game.


Like you do when you humiliate people for the purpose of your pleasure in order to try avoid any action by CCP?



As stated before, You know that holding peoples ship or assets ransom in exchange for public humiliation (ie, singing songs and making a general ass out of yourself) isnt anything exactly new to eve...


This is okay is it?

So you admit that it is public humiliation and that is fine.

Also just because something has been going on for a while it does not make it okay.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#7425 - 2014-03-28 10:49:04 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
the European's get to work and immediately look to direct their hate somewhere.


And we have so very very much of it to vent

Dont you know thats why the EU was created? To help us vent our hatred outwards instead of against each other?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7426 - 2014-03-28 10:49:17 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I'm glad Sokhar spoke out about this, it really exposed how disgusting Ripard Teg and his Moral Bunch actually are.

When the "victim" himself says it was just an overreaction, and that he's not bothered by it, it says volumes about the moral panic and claims of abuse and torture and blahblah.

It's also rather repugnant that Ripard Teg and his Moral Bunch would attempt to exploit a player who had been scammed - but got over it - and use him in their political machinations, especially when the player himself didn't want that to happen, and has suffered negative consequences of what they did.

After 7000 posts we really know who the toxic members of this community are, and the rep they have on the CSM.

Golf Claps... You wouldn't happen to be a former Iraqi Information Minister would you :)


Do you not realise how intellectually dishonest and morally bankrupt it is to make such comparisons? Do you not understand that you just proved the point I made exactly? You, and Ripard Teg, and numerous others, attempt to demonise players you personally don't by like directly comparing them to heinous individuals who have caused real, serious human suffering.

Do you not realise how that is not only a repulsive, pathetic strategy in an argument, but that it also trivialises the real human suffering you reference?

That is exactly why you are toxic to this community.

No, I was just comparing your ability to try to spread propaganda with his. AFAIK he didn't do anything wrong. He was just the information minister. Probably a good guy...

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Salvos Rhoska
#7427 - 2014-03-28 10:49:26 UTC
Asia Leigh wrote:
As stated before, You know that holding peoples ship or assets ransom in exchange for public humiliation (ie, singing songs and making a general ass out of yourself) isnt anything exactly new to eve...


Yes.

But most agree this Bonus Room nonsense goes too far.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#7428 - 2014-03-28 10:49:51 UTC
Alp Khan wrote:
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Widot is a member corporation in the alliance called, you know, Goonswarm Federation. (GSF)

Absolutely. My mistake. My apology for it.

Goonwaffe =/= Widot.

Goonwaffe couldn't kick Jaynara, only Widot could.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7429 - 2014-03-28 10:50:36 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Asia Leigh wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Your mistake was using the EVE client to blackmail me. You should have kept it all out of game.


Like you do when you humiliate people for the purpose of your pleasure in order to try avoid any action by CCP?



As stated before, You know that holding peoples ship or assets ransom in exchange for public humiliation (ie, singing songs and making a general ass out of yourself) isnt anything exactly new to eve...


This is okay is it?

So you admit that it is public humiliation and that is fine.

Also just because something has been going on for a while it does not make it okay.



No, but the fact that CCP themselves have been subjected to it and not been fussed means your 'moral' outrage is irrelevant.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7430 - 2014-03-28 10:51:39 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Asia Leigh wrote:
As stated before, You know that holding peoples ship or assets ransom in exchange for public humiliation (ie, singing songs and making a general ass out of yourself) isnt anything exactly new to eve...


Yes.

But most agree this Bonus Room nonsense goes too far.


Please define 'most' and provide researched statistics to support up this assertion.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Prince Kobol
#7431 - 2014-03-28 10:51:43 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Widot is a member corporation in the alliance called, you know, Goonswarm Federation. (GSF)


Yeah, as I'm pretty sure an a CEO of a corp in an alliance can only kick players in his/her corp and not kick players from other corps in the same alliance. But you know that and are just trolling/trying to keep the flames alive.

D.

Bear


So what you are saying is that if a Leading Director in GSF wanted to kick you for example, he would not be allowed to and would have to have your CEO's permission first?

So your CEO could say, get lost, I am not kicking him and that GSF Director would have to live with the CEO decision?
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#7432 - 2014-03-28 10:51:55 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Asia Leigh wrote:
As stated before, You know that holding peoples ship or assets ransom in exchange for public humiliation (ie, singing songs and making a general ass out of yourself) isnt anything exactly new to eve...


Yes.

But most agree this Bonus Room nonsense goes too far.


No, you and some other dudes on the forums does not equal most people.

Had time to watch this yet? Did this shedoo fellow go "over the line" by insulting and berating a fellow player?
It's really important because it's the same darn thing.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7433 - 2014-03-28 10:52:20 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
the European's get to work and immediately look to direct their hate somewhere.


And we have so very very much of it to vent

Dont you know thats why the EU was created? To help us vent our hatred outwards instead of against each other?

pretty muchBig smile

yet we still slag the French.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#7434 - 2014-03-28 10:52:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
Prince Kobol wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Widot is a member corporation in the alliance called, you know, Goonswarm Federation. (GSF)


Yeah, as I'm pretty sure an a CEO of a corp in an alliance can only kick players in his/her corp and not kick players from other corps in the same alliance. But you know that and are just trolling/trying to keep the flames alive.

D.

Bear


So what you are saying is that if a Leading Director in GSF wanted to kick you for example, he would not be allowed to and would have to have your CEO's permission first?

So your CEO could say, get lost, I am not kicking him and that GSF Director would have to live with the CEO decision?


Exactly. Unless that CEO would than start to threaten and harras the other CEO untill he is forced to resign his entire corp from the alliance.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#7435 - 2014-03-28 10:54:15 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
the European's get to work and immediately look to direct their hate somewhere.


And we have so very very much of it to vent

Dont you know thats why the EU was created? To help us vent our hatred outwards instead of against each other?

pretty muchBig smile

yet we still slag the French.


They love it

The whole of Western Europe is like one big Boners Room, with Germany as E1 and UK and the Scandanavians giggling in the corner while Spain, Italy and Greece QQ about how they were scammed

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#7436 - 2014-03-28 10:55:25 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Widot is a member corporation in the alliance called, you know, Goonswarm Federation. (GSF)


Yeah, as I'm pretty sure an a CEO of a corp in an alliance can only kick players in his/her corp and not kick players from other corps in the same alliance. But you know that and are just trolling/trying to keep the flames alive.

D.

Bear


So what you are saying is that if a Leading Director in GSF wanted to kick you for example, he would not be allowed to and would have to have your CEO's permission first?

So your CEO could say, get lost, I am not kicking him and that GSF Director would have to live with the CEO decision?


Exactly. Unless that CEO would than start to threaten and harras the other CEO untill he is forced to resign his entire corp from the alliance.

D.

Bear


The internal strife was quite amusing during that period. One could have pictured the CFC fracturing into a civil war.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#7437 - 2014-03-28 10:55:45 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
So what you are saying is that if a Leading Director in GSF wanted to kick you for example, he would not be allowed to and would have to have your CEO's permission first?

So your CEO could say, get lost, I am not kicking him and that GSF Director would have to live with the CEO decision?

Mechanics wise, yes.

Politically, pressure could be applied, ultimately with an ultimatum to kick Widot from the Alliance if their conviction was strong enough.

But under the mechanics of the game, a Director in Goonwaffe could not personally remove a member of Widot. That would have to be done by someone from Widot.
Prince Kobol
#7438 - 2014-03-28 10:56:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Danalee wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Widot is a member corporation in the alliance called, you know, Goonswarm Federation. (GSF)


Yeah, as I'm pretty sure an a CEO of a corp in an alliance can only kick players in his/her corp and not kick players from other corps in the same alliance. But you know that and are just trolling/trying to keep the flames alive.

D.

Bear


So what you are saying is that if a Leading Director in GSF wanted to kick you for example, he would not be allowed to and would have to have your CEO's permission first?

So your CEO could say, get lost, I am not kicking him and that GSF Director would have to live with the CEO decision?


Exactly.

D.

Bear



So why didn't the CEO of Widot tell everybody to get lost and refuse to kick E1?

E1 has stated that he was never kicked, he left of his own accord, Mynnna is saying he was kicked.

So taking what you have said, A high Level Director has gone to the CEO of Widot, told to kick him and they must of agreed otherwise E1 would still be a member.

Or of course he could of just been told by his CEO that he was getting kicked and then rushed to claim he was leaving just before the boot hit him on the ass Big smile
Salvos Rhoska
#7439 - 2014-03-28 10:57:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Please define 'most' and provide researched statistics to support up this assertion.

Just about everyone who isn't directly profiting from the activities involved, either in the form of ISK or enjoying the recordings.
You are the only ones defending this.

Even those who are concerned about slippery slope consequences of intervention, don't actually approve of what is happening in the Bonus Room.

The post history of this thread evidences that by means of the statistics of poster counts.
The top posters are all associated with Erotica1 and profit from this activity. I am the only exception in that list.

The rest is independant posters, most of who have expressed they find what happens in the Bonus Room goes too far.
Thats why you and others profiting from the activity, constitute the top % of the posts, because you are forced to run daft amounts of damage control and interference against a dissenting majority.

You know this, I know this, everyone knows this.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#7440 - 2014-03-28 10:59:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
Prince Kobol wrote:

So why didn't the CEO of Widot tell everybody to get lost and refuse to kick E1?

E1 has stated that he was never kicked, he left of his own accord, Mynnna is saying he was kicked.

So taking what you have said, A high Level Director has gone to the CEO of Widot, told to kick him and they must of agreed otherwise E1 would still be a member.

Or of course he could of just been told by his CEO that he was getting kicked and then rushed to claim he was leaving just before the boot hit him on the ass Big smile


So as someone in the know, why would you first claim he was kicked and after realising everyone to know that to be impossible by game-mecanics invent yet another spin on the same BS?

And who says the CEO of Widot didn't do just that? Say NO.

Why are you trying soooo hard?

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment