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You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#7101 - 2014-03-28 06:28:28 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:

Eagerly anticipating the ban hammer.


Sincerely Bloodmyst Ranwar,

xoxoxoxo


Why would you want to celebrate someones banning? Are you a tear harvester?

Because personal pride is more important than reason.

Oh god.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#7102 - 2014-03-28 06:28:31 UTC
In the name of all that is holy, Ranger1 please fix those quotes Shocked

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E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#7103 - 2014-03-28 06:28:57 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
[quote=Remiel Pollard]
Kind of hard to avoid at this end of a 350+ page thread. :) But look: I'll confess, if it will make Remiel happy. I hate what E1 does. i really hate it. I don't think he should be allowed to seek out EvE players to do it to any more.


It makes me happy when people are honest.

Do you think Ero should be banned just because you hate him?[

No, I'm not. I'm bringing to account the point that so many are calling for Ero's ban, but no one is calling for Sohkar's as well on the same terms. I want to see Sohkar held to account for his hate speech and threats of violence. Are you saying his behaviour should be accepted by the community?

Should CCP deem him guilty of breaking the rules then I would be ok with it. However his actions are a direct reaction to the situation he was placed in by E1.

Should someone break into my my house at night I should not be held accountable if I have to kill the guy to protect my family and kids. His actions dictated my response. Would be like a guy trying to sue because he broke his leg trying to steal your tires from your car while you were driving it.


A man that strikes his wife that cheated on him was placed in an emotional position by his wife by being cheated on. A person fired from his job and blows up his workplace was placed in an emotional position by his work by being fired.

A crime of passion is still a crime of passion, and the perpetrator is ENTIRELY responsible for their actions.

Should you go after someone with intent to do harm like say you come at me with a knife. I should not be held accountable for the things I have to do to you to protect myself.

To use your silly logic we would have to go all the way back and blame your parents for bringing you in to this world as a scape goat for the things you do.

You cant blame Sohkar for the situation that E1 created on purpose. Sohkar should be held accountable for any actions he may take after the fact but not for the situation E1 created.

Sohkar should not be the scapegoat.

People need to be held accountable for the things they do, not blame the victim. Would be like saying a **** victim was at fault because of the clothes they wore or the bar they were at.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7104 - 2014-03-28 06:30:04 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:

So how far past 6 are you now in this thread? lol

When I first started EVE I let people get to me on the forums but then I grew up, got a job, got married, had kids.

I realised that the government expected me to give them 45% of my earnings + 10% GST on top + registration + tax my petrol 45% + tax my cigarettes around 300% + tax my alcohol 60%.

I realised that girlfriends who turn into wives are massively annoying and troll me much more than any forum user ever could.

At that point I ceased to able to be annoyed by the EVE online forums and started using it as a way to relax. Relaxing in a nice troll thread helps me survive life. Why would I need to be offensive or abusive to you wonderful people. I feel like buying you all beer.


So you confess you're just trolling. Thanks for the clarity.

I said "a nice troll thread", not "a nice troll thread of my making"

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#7105 - 2014-03-28 06:32:00 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
In the name of all that is holy, Ranger1 please fix those quotes Shocked

I didn't jack em up, he did!

I think they're readable now.

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E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#7106 - 2014-03-28 06:32:28 UTC
Out for the night . Please do carry on Big smile
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7107 - 2014-03-28 06:35:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

Should you go after someone with intent to do harm like say you come at me with a knife. I should not be held accountable for the things I have to do to you to protect myself.

To use your silly logic we would have to go all the way back and blame your parents for bringing you in to this world as a scape goat for the things you do.

You cant blame Sohkar for the situation that E1 created on purpose. Sohkar should be held accountable for any actions he may take after the fact but not for the situation E1 created.

Sohkar should not be the scapegoat.

People need to be held accountable for the things they do, not blame the victim. Would be like saying a **** victim was at fault because of the clothes they wore or the bar they were at.


No one came at Sohkar with a knife. He reacted emotionally to a scenario he placed himself in willingly. If he is a victim, he is a victim of his own choices. And before you go for the **** analogy, this has been addressed numerous times in this thread. Sohkar consented to everything every step of the way and AGREED no too long ago in the livestream that everything he did was with his consent. A **** victim doesn't consent to anything because if there's consent, then it's just consensual sex. Gittit?

Your **** analogy is just a sickening belitttlement of actual **** victims for the sake of vilifying an individual that you just don't like. And you want to call Ero wrong in the head? Get out.

I can blame Sohkar for the choices he made. Ero did not force him to do anything.

And I'm not making Sohkar a scapegoat, I'm pointing out that without equal impassioned vilification of his choices to abuse and threaten, then Ero is the one being made a scapegoat of.

Quote:
To use your silly logic we would have to go all the way back and blame your parents for bringing you in to this world as a scape goat for the things you do.


This is not my logic at all, you pulled this out of your arse. You are desperately reaching for excuses now, not unlike everyone else on this witch hunt. I didn't choose to be born and my parents have no control over my choices.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7108 - 2014-03-28 06:35:53 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:

So how far past 6 are you now in this thread? lol

When I first started EVE I let people get to me on the forums but then I grew up, got a job, got married, had kids.

I realised that the government expected me to give them 45% of my earnings + 10% GST on top + registration + tax my petrol 45% + tax my cigarettes around 300% + tax my alcohol 60%.

I realised that girlfriends who turn into wives are massively annoying and troll me much more than any forum user ever could.

At that point I ceased to able to be annoyed by the EVE online forums and started using it as a way to relax. Relaxing in a nice troll thread helps me survive life. Why would I need to be offensive or abusive to you wonderful people. I feel like buying you all beer.


So you confess you're just trolling. Thanks for the clarity.

I said "a nice troll thread", not "a nice troll thread of my making"


Monkey see, monkey do.

Am I right?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#7109 - 2014-03-28 06:36:33 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
So, since the witch hunt has been outed as a witch hunt, what do we do now?

My thought is, we make a list. Since, thanks to Sohkar, it has been revealed that it's laughable to call it torture, and no harm was really done... then what we really have here is precisely what it looked like.

A textbook example of demagoguery, trying to whip up people into a lynch mob against someone, because you don't like something about them.

But since Ripard Teg is now the Fred Phelps of EVE, who are the rest of the Westboros? I say we start getting some names down. For our own mutual protection, of course.

Thoughts?


Has sohkar posted on this thread or something? threads gone from 221 to 350+ while I was at work.

Will gank for food
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#7110 - 2014-03-28 06:37:53 UTC
Tarojan wrote:
Has sohkar posted on this thread or something? threads gone from 221 to 350+ while I was at work.
Yes he did.

He is also talking it all through on TS and Twitch at the moment.
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7111 - 2014-03-28 06:38:35 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

Should you go after someone with intent to do harm like say you come at me with a knife. I should not be held accountable for the things I have to do to you to protect myself.

To use your silly logic we would have to go all the way back and blame your parents for bringing you in to this world as a scape goat for the things you do.

You cant blame Sohkar for the situation that E1 created on purpose. Sohkar should be held accountable for any actions he may take after the fact but not for the situation E1 created.

Sohkar should not be the scapegoat.

People need to be held accountable for the things they do, not blame the victim. Would be like saying a **** victim was at fault because of the clothes they wore or the bar they were at.


Except Sohkar himself has acknowledged his fault here.

Also, your example implies DIRECT THREAT OF LIFE. The real situation was polite nudging.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7112 - 2014-03-28 06:39:37 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Tarojan wrote:
Has sohkar posted on this thread or something? threads gone from 221 to 350+ while I was at work.
Yes he did.

He is also talking it all through on TS and Twitch at the moment.


Link

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#7113 - 2014-03-28 06:39:40 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

Should you go after someone with intent to do harm like say you come at me with a knife. I should not be held accountable for the things I have to do to you to protect myself.

To use your silly logic we would have to go all the way back and blame your parents for bringing you in to this world as a scape goat for the things you do.

You cant blame Sohkar for the situation that E1 created on purpose. Sohkar should be held accountable for any actions he may take after the fact but not for the situation E1 created.

Sohkar should not be the scapegoat.

People need to be held accountable for the things they do, not blame the victim. Would be like saying a **** victim was at fault because of the clothes they wore or the bar they were at.


Except Sohkar himself has acknowledged his fault here.

Also, your example implies DIRECT THREAT OF LIFE. The real situation was polite nudging.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAUY1J8KizU

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Lady Areola Fappington
#7114 - 2014-03-28 06:39:48 UTC
Tarojan wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
So, since the witch hunt has been outed as a witch hunt, what do we do now?

My thought is, we make a list. Since, thanks to Sohkar, it has been revealed that it's laughable to call it torture, and no harm was really done... then what we really have here is precisely what it looked like.

A textbook example of demagoguery, trying to whip up people into a lynch mob against someone, because you don't like something about them.

But since Ripard Teg is now the Fred Phelps of EVE, who are the rest of the Westboros? I say we start getting some names down. For our own mutual protection, of course.

Thoughts?


Has sohkar posted on this thread or something? threads gone from 221 to 350+ while I was at work.


Even better, him and Ero hopped on a live chat, and recounted fun old times. Basically said "LoL what torture it was all willing I just overreacted some."

Basically, people snapped off for a massive witch hunt without even asking the victim's opinion on the matter.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#7115 - 2014-03-28 06:39:55 UTC
I Riven I wrote:
But did he win or no?


He didn't and he's fine with that.

Most in the thread now missed that part, or are simply too busy championing a blatant lie that has infuriated the "victim" to notice.

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Space Juden
Supermassive Potato Pancake
#7116 - 2014-03-28 06:40:07 UTC
The reality is Sohkar stabbed us in the back. Damn you to hell Yehuda
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#7117 - 2014-03-28 06:42:34 UTC
Space Juden wrote:
The reality is Sohkar stabbed us in the back. Damn you to hell Yehuda

How dare he not be the victim everyone demands that he be.

The nerve!

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Space Juden
Supermassive Potato Pancake
#7118 - 2014-03-28 06:43:06 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Space Juden wrote:
The reality is Sohkar stabbed us in the back. Damn you to hell Yehuda

How dare he not be the victim everyone demands that he be.

The nerve!


You get me
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#7119 - 2014-03-28 06:43:14 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Tarojan wrote:
Has sohkar posted on this thread or something? threads gone from 221 to 350+ while I was at work.
Yes he did.

He is also talking it all through on TS and Twitch at the moment.


Link


ty mate

Will gank for food
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#7120 - 2014-03-28 06:44:09 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
No one came at Sohkar with a knife. He reacted emotionally to a scenario he placed himself in willingly. If he is a victim, he is a victim of his own choices. And before you go for the **** analogy, this has been addressed numerous times in this thread. Sohkar consented to everything every step of the way and AGREED no too long ago in the livestream that everything he did was with his consent. A **** victim doesn't consent to anything because if there's consent, then it's just consensual sex. Gittit?

Your **** analogy is just a sickening belitttlement of actual **** victims for the sake of vilifying an individual that you just don't like. And you want to call Ero wrong in the head? Get out.

I can blame Sohkar for the choices he made. Ero did not force him to do anything.


Thankfully the law has a different view on how these things happen. This is why we have cooling-off periods on major purchases and long-term subscription contracts. People can be misled into a scenario that they don't wish to be party to.

Consent to start a game doesn't imply consent to everything that happens in the game unless all the rules and procedures are advised ahead of time: this also means being explicit about the rules rather than expecting any "sane" person to be aware of the rules ahead of time simply because they're available somewhere on the Internet. By definition, someone entering Erotica 1's "Bonus Room" is not going to be sane and reasonable.

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