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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7001 - 2014-03-28 05:27:36 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
This is the point where the witch hunt against Ero will become obvious, because regardless of Sokhar's vindication of Ero, the white knights will continue to hate him and find excuses that either try to assert Sokhar is still being coerced against his will, or that Ero has tricked him again. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if hate wasn't already in them, then they wouldn't hate. This has never been about Ero v Sokhar, it's always been about hate for Ero. That's it. That's the bottom line.



You are committing the sin of "Argument through Repetition." Just saying a thing over and over again (twice in the last four of your posts) doesn't make it any more true.


Incorrect, I'm repeating the argument for exposure. Every time someone posts one of these excuses, it becomes obvious they haven't read the thread and are oblivious to what is going on, so they get this reply. The purpose is one of convenience for the person posting more hate against Ero. It saves them from having to read the entire thread.

It is hardly a sin to be so generous with making information readily available.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Morihei Akachi
Doomheim
#7002 - 2014-03-28 05:29:48 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
You are committing the sin of "Argument through Repetition."

Isn't everyone?

Kind of hard to avoid at this end of a 350+ page thread. :) But look: I'll confess, if it will make Remiel happy. I hate what E1 does. i really hate it. I don't think he should be allowed to seek out EvE players to do it to any more.

"Enduring", "restrained" and "ample" as designations for starship components are foreign to the genre of high-tech science fiction and don’t belong in Eve Online. (And as for “scoped” …)
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7003 - 2014-03-28 05:30:08 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
You are committing the sin of "Argument through Repetition."

Isn't everyone?


This whole thread has been repetition after repetition. Points have been made, people have missed them, and created repetitive arguments that have been demonstrated as false by the points they've missed. So the points need to be made again. I'm taking a page out of Salvos book, copy-pasting is convenient for addressing the repetitive nature of the witch hunt against Ero. Fortunately, I have a sound argument. Unless, of course, someone can find fault with it. Then I am willing to listen and have a discussion.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#7004 - 2014-03-28 05:30:16 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
-beating a dead horse-


Cling to those straws you're reaching for. Cling to them.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7005 - 2014-03-28 05:30:54 UTC
Morihei Akachi wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
You are committing the sin of "Argument through Repetition."

Isn't everyone?

Kind of hard to avoid at this end of a 350+ page thread. :) But look: I'll confess, if it will make Remiel happy. I hate what E1 does. i really hate it. I don't think he should be allowed to seek out EvE players to do it to any more.


It makes me happy when people are honest.

Do you think Ero should be banned just because you hate him?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#7006 - 2014-03-28 05:31:40 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I'm repeating the argument for exposure. Every time someone posts one of these excuses, it becomes obvious they haven't read the thread and are oblivious to what is going on, so they get this reply. The purpose is one of convenience for the person posting more hate against Ero. It saves them from having to read the entire thread.

It is hardly a sin to be so generous with making information readily available.


So your answer to "the thread is scrolling to fast to keep up with" is to scroll it faster?

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Anomaly One
Doomheim
#7007 - 2014-03-28 05:32:40 UTC
this thread is going places

Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7008 - 2014-03-28 05:32:55 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
-beating a dead horse-


Cling to those straws you're reaching for. Cling to them.

They're facts.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7009 - 2014-03-28 05:33:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Mara Rinn wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I'm repeating the argument for exposure. Every time someone posts one of these excuses, it becomes obvious they haven't read the thread and are oblivious to what is going on, so they get this reply. The purpose is one of convenience for the person posting more hate against Ero. It saves them from having to read the entire thread.

It is hardly a sin to be so generous with making information readily available.


So your answer to "the thread is scrolling to fast to keep up with" is to scroll it faster?


No, my answer to "I'm going to post without reading" is to post something for them to read in response to their misinformed post. It's a gesture of good will given the size of the thread instead of saying "did you even read this thread?"

I did explain this, didn't I?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#7010 - 2014-03-28 05:33:52 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
-beating a dead horse-


Cling to those straws you're reaching for. Cling to them.

They're facts.


Like everything you say, they're lies.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7011 - 2014-03-28 05:33:59 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
-beating a dead horse-


Cling to those straws you're reaching for. Cling to them.

They're facts.


Then you can prove them.

So, go for it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#7012 - 2014-03-28 05:35:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Morihei Akachi wrote:
...But look: I'll confess, if it will make Remiel happy. I hate what E1 does. i really hate it. I don't think he should be allowed to seek out EvE players to do it to any more.


It makes me happy when people are honest.

Do you think Ero should be banned just because you hate him?

I'm sure he can answer for himself fine, but just in case he misses your question, I'll add my bit.

He didn't write that he hated Ero, only what he does.

There is a difference and he had the decency to attack the issue and not the person.
Morihei Akachi
Doomheim
#7013 - 2014-03-28 05:35:53 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Morihei Akachi wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
You are committing the sin of "Argument through Repetition."

Isn't everyone?

Kind of hard to avoid at this end of a 350+ page thread. :) But look: I'll confess, if it will make Remiel happy. I hate what E1 does. i really hate it. I don't think he should be allowed to seek out EvE players to do it to any more.


It makes me happy when people are honest.

Do you think Ero should be banned just because you hate him?

Not "him". "It". There is a difference. I want his preying on the EvE playerbase stopped. If the best way to do that is stop his access to it, I'm totally good with that. It has nothing to do with hate for the person.

"Enduring", "restrained" and "ample" as designations for starship components are foreign to the genre of high-tech science fiction and don’t belong in Eve Online. (And as for “scoped” …)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#7014 - 2014-03-28 05:36:02 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
-beating a dead horse-


Cling to those straws you're reaching for. Cling to them.

They're facts.


Then you can prove them.

So, go for it.


Prediction:

"I already did, you just didn't pay attention!"

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mario Putzo
#7015 - 2014-03-28 05:36:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Sorry but the issue is not done and dusted.

What was done was against the rules (harassment), damaged CCP's reputation (only have to check the MMO boards to see the response), and if nothing is done to prevent this sort of thing occurring then it will happen again and potentially someone could be harmed, either one of the perpetrators in RL or the victim through self harm.

More disturbingly one of the perpetrators stated in this thread that they're actively competing against other people also doing the same thing and so they're being forced to 'outdo' each other which means the abuse will take the slippery slope of stupidity and potentially become much more serious with more serious consequences.

If CCP does not act on their duty of care towards their playerbase now they are aware of the problem then they could be liable for a portion of any damages if someone did sue. CCP gains nothing but negative publicity and the potential to be sued if they don't act.

They cannot now claim they were not knowledgeable about the activity as a defense.



What ruined CCP's reputation (if at all) was the Jester Trek article being picked up and spread around the MMO community. An article that tonight we found was entirely baseless in its positions. Sohkar has gone on the record saying as much. He has also stated that he doesn't appreciate the article Ripard wrote, nor does he appreciate this 300 page thread about it.

Sohkar mentioned that he got over the loss of his assets already, he got back on his feet made some ISK and was happy and content playing with his corpmates and doing whatever it is he does within this game, and this all changed once Ripard took it upon himself, without Sohkars permission, to make a big old article about how awful Sohkars experience was, an article that went softly viral through the MMO community.

Erotica 1 and scamming didn't tarnish CCP's reputation, Ripard Tegs completely off base article did that. An article he had absolutely no business writing at all.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#7016 - 2014-03-28 05:36:37 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Why am I starting to suspect this whole thing was the greatest trolling ever?

If so I say, well played.

Anything is possible, and if so then yes, well played.

More likely he simply got over his fit of rage at being so silly as to get involved in the scam to begin with (as well as play the fool in front of his wife just to get some extra imaginary space pixels), and reconciled himself to the fact that he walked right into it face first.

Quite honestly if I were in his position all this attention would be a little bit flattering at first, then largely humiliating, and then finally would make me more than a little angry at having an embarrassing situation put under a microscope for reasons that really didn't have anything at all to do with helping me deal with it.

He was treated like a sock puppet to further other peoples agenda's, which is especially annoying since (once he calmed down) he could look at things objectively and did not share the popular sentiment voiced by those supposedly taking up for him.

Don't get me wrong, it is very very human to react negatively towards something you find personally distasteful... so much of this thread is fairly understandable (outside of the blatant and obvious trolling some participants wallowed in).

But seriously, people should try to find the maturity to step back from those kind of knee jerk reactions when it's pointed out that nothing illegal (or even especially hurtful in any real way) had occurred.

Very few people who dismissed the incident found the whole thing anything other than distasteful (including myself)... I personally would never allow such behavior from anyone that was in an organization that I was affiliated with. However I also recognize that when you put yourself willingly in the position of being taken advantage of in this game, someone will oblige you... and if they don't break any laws (or game rules), do any actual harm to that person while putting the screws them then the whole thing is a non-issue.

And no, I do not consider losing all of your in game assets to fall under the category of harm. No one likes a setback in a game they enjoy, but the very act of playing a game where you can put it all at risk should mean that you accept the fact that you might lose it all. Otherwise you'd be playing a game where your biggest worry is where you and all your belongings will re-spawn next time around.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7017 - 2014-03-28 05:37:33 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
-beating a dead horse-


Cling to those straws you're reaching for. Cling to them.

They're facts.


Then you can prove them.

So, go for it.

I suggest you read this thread and listen to the recording.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7018 - 2014-03-28 05:37:42 UTC
The original recording is sick.

Kissing and making up afterwards does not absolve the perpetrators of responsibility.

Ban them all, make sure it cannot happen again.

End of story.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#7019 - 2014-03-28 05:38:27 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
-beating a dead horse-


Cling to those straws you're reaching for. Cling to them.

They're facts.


They are in fact not. They are opinions that people have (badly) tried to back up by quoting the EULA and the dictionary. Fail.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7020 - 2014-03-28 05:38:48 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Sorry but the issue is not done and dusted.

What was done was against the rules (harassment), damaged CCP's reputation (only have to check the MMO boards to see the response), and if nothing is done to prevent this sort of thing occurring then it will happen again and potentially someone could be harmed, either one of the perpetrators in RL or the victim through self harm.

More disturbingly one of the perpetrators stated in this thread that they're actively competing against other people also doing the same thing and so they're being forced to 'outdo' each other which means the abuse will take the slippery slope of stupidity and potentially become much more serious with more serious consequences.

If CCP does not act on their duty of care towards their playerbase now they are aware of the problem then they could be liable for a portion of any damages if someone did sue. CCP gains nothing but negative publicity and the potential to be sued if they don't act.

They cannot now claim they were not knowledgeable about the activity as a defense.



What ruined CCP's reputation (if at all) was the Jester Trek article being picked up and spread around the MMO community. An article that tonight we found was entirely baseless in its positions. Sohkar has gone on the record saying as much. He has also stated that he doesn't appreciate the article Ripard wrote, nor does he appreciate this 300 page thread about it.

Sohkar mentioned that he got over the loss of his assets already, he got back on his feet made some ISK and was happy and content playing with his corpmates and doing whatever it is he does within this game, and this all changed once Ripard took it upon himself, without Sohkars permission, to make a big old article about how awful Sohkars experience was, an article that went softly viral through the MMO community.

Erotica 1 and scamming didn't tarnish CCP's reputation, Ripard Tegs completely off base article did that. An article he had absolutely no business writing at all.


Reporting something factual doesn't harm CCP's reputation. The act that was reported did.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)