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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6421 - 2014-03-27 21:46:46 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Xuixien wrote:


Can you make a definitive point? It would go a long way to earning my vote.


Of particular interest to you, Erotica 1, is this, coming from two CSM posts:

""...have to cut some dead weight..."" and ""....CSM stands united in its satisfaction with direction CCP will take...""


I'm not Erotica 1. I'm sure you're familiar with his voice from the recording, yes?

You're free to talk to me on comms at any point.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Salvos Rhoska
#6422 - 2014-03-27 21:47:19 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Salvos was on BU commes the other night and it was explained to him, step by step, in detail, how the Bonus Room works and what the conditions for winning are. He was even given the names of at least two contestants who has won.


False.

Nobody there answered what is required of the participant to win the Bonus Room.

And you only named one "contestant" who has won, Vicious Rage.

I take notes :) A lot of notes.

So, since you claim to know, as you claim to have explained it in the comm (though you did infact not):

What is required of the participant to win the Bonus Room?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Dave Stark
#6423 - 2014-03-27 21:48:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Xuixien wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
HTFU? Why? Why do we have to close our eyes and allow the game to get worse?


why does not bending to whiners make the game worse?


EVE has a mountain to climb, that's why.

At the top of that mountain is Kandy Land. Players will be awarded points for completing the same quest every day for a week, and these points will be used to buy indestructible, account bound Epic Officer Modules.


you mean like the formerly popular game that has been hemorrhaging players recently due to the puddle of liquid excrement the developers put it in chasing money instead of quality content?

if ccp want to sacrifice 10 years of constant growth and stable income for a trip up candy mountain and hard fall off cliff at the top, fair play to them. they'll probably have enough cash by the time they run off the cliff to land on their own private island.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#6424 - 2014-03-27 21:48:21 UTC
All the participant must do is follow the rules. It's very simple.

Oh god.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#6425 - 2014-03-27 21:49:22 UTC
Having read a few pages of this complicated thread, and therefor being an expert in this matter, I can summarize "The Bonus Room" thusly.

Too funny EvE neckbeards. Too funny. Lol

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Salvos Rhoska
#6426 - 2014-03-27 21:49:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Xuixien wrote:
I'm not Erotica 1. I'm sure you're familiar with his voice from the recording, yes?

You're free to talk to me on comms at any point.


I can confirm that Xuixien is not Erotica1 on the same basis as he has confirmed that I am not Sohkar.
We spoke in comms. Voices don't match.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6427 - 2014-03-27 21:49:31 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Xuixien wrote:


Can you make a definitive point? It would go a long way to earning my vote.


Of particular interest to you, Erotica 1, is this, coming from two CSM posts:

""...have to cut some dead weight..."" and ""....CSM stands united in its satisfaction with direction CCP will take...""


I'm not Erotica 1. I'm sure you're familiar with his voice from the recording, yes?

You're free to talk to me on comms at any point.



Whatever you say buddy.

By the way, when we connect to your J, if you haven't been evicted already, we will burn you out like cancer from it.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#6428 - 2014-03-27 21:51:01 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
So if a manager at mcdonalds molests a child, mcdonalds is held responsible as a molester-based business?

Yes, if they knew he was molesting kids.



That's actually "level 2". If the franchise owner did not know about it they can still be held liable in court.

If the franchise owner knew about it and tried to cover it up, then the floodgates of liability are fully open. How much credit and liability are at stake? Well the Catholic Church for example.

So, while it can be said that CCP is not liable for this behavior, as yet there are no permanently damaging effects that we know of or are apparent, if something did happen and it was revealed that CCP (that can already be taken to court because that's what lawyers do) knew about it and did nothing, then the situation becomes far worse.

I would rather not have to go without expansions and fixes because some lawyers are getting rich thanks to a few fetishists in the game who decided to torment someone.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Sapheni
Black Moon Mining
#6429 - 2014-03-27 21:52:30 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Look what Microsoft is doing in cases like this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26766098

EVE should do similar.


Obviously it would need something to prevent abuse, but the concept is good. In EVE players with a red card could lose forum posting and local posting 'privileges'. No more forum trolls and no more scammers in Jita. Self regulation 4tw.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#6430 - 2014-03-27 21:52:32 UTC
Finally some people making sens and they are CSM... fatih restored!

Cut that dead weight of a racist biggot! Nobody will shed a single tear.

Thanks guys.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6431 - 2014-03-27 21:52:44 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
HTFU? Why? Why do we have to close our eyes and allow the game to get worse?


why does not bending to whiners make the game worse?


EVE has a mountain to climb, that's why.

At the top of that mountain is Kandy Land. Players will be awarded points for completing the same quest every day for a week, and these points will be used to buy indestructible, account bound Epic Officer Modules.


you mean like the formerly popular game that has been hemorrhaging players recently due to the puddle of liquid excrement the developers put it in chasing money instead of quality content?

if ccp want to sacrifice 10 years of constant growth and stable income for a trip up candy mountain and hard fall off cliff at the top, fair play to them. they'll probably have enough cash by the time they run off the cliff to land on their own private island.


You just brought back some memories.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#6432 - 2014-03-27 21:53:08 UTC
Vance Armistice wrote:
It's true, we need the "scumbags" in this game, they make the game edgy and dangerous. Admittedly, from the looks of it, we have assembled more than our fair share but the game is set up to attract them.

What we don't need is the freaks who are so warped in their out of game lives that even GS kicks them for extreme behavior.



Scumbags isn't language I would use for anyone and certainly not someone who plays the game in order to be left alone.

The players who are anti-social because they chose not to interact, who want to be left alone to play on their own, who rage in local and evemail when some shoots at them, who try a scam and then get upset because they were scammed.

Those forms of play, while anto-social don't make the game edgy and dangerous.

As far as I'm concerned, they are fairly lame ways to play the game, but I can still respect someone who makes a different choice to me.

They should be allowed in the game, just in the same way that people who are pro-social through their interactions with others also deserve a place in the community.
Dave Stark
#6433 - 2014-03-27 21:53:28 UTC
Sapheni wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Look what Microsoft is doing in cases like this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26766098

EVE should do similar.


Obviously it would need something to prevent abuse, but the concept is good. In EVE players with a red card could lose forum posting and local posting 'privileges'. No more forum trolls and no more scammers in Jita. Self regulation 4tw.


best way to prevent abuse, don't add glaringly abusable systems to the game. see FW.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#6434 - 2014-03-27 21:53:28 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Xuixien wrote:


I'm not Erotica 1. I'm sure you're familiar with his voice from the recording, yes?

You're free to talk to me on comms at any point.



Whatever you say buddy.

By the way, when we connect to your J, if you haven't been evicted already, we will burn you out like cancer from it.
Sounds like more RL threats.

Yet more :Moral High Ground: stuff. Nice

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#6435 - 2014-03-27 21:54:22 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.



Great! Time to lock this thread.


Agreed, its disintigrating into a typical General Discussion thread.


Apparently this sentiment is looked down upon. A lot of posters in here seem to enjoy the bombardment of deceased equines...
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#6436 - 2014-03-27 21:55:22 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
HTFU? Why? Why do we have to close our eyes and allow the game to get worse?


why does not bending to whiners make the game worse?


It doesn't, that's why I think they may take action against E1 despite the:

"sky is falling"

"pack your **** the game is over if we admit that E1 acted inappropriately"

"care bears are winning"

"we are hard guys so our whining isn't REALLY whining"

"oh noes, I will never gank again"

handwringing histrionics that you, your 10 friends and all of their alts have been doing over 300+ pages.

TL/DR stop whining I can't drink your tears fast enough

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6437 - 2014-03-27 21:55:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:



Whatever you say.


First time you've been right in this thread.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6438 - 2014-03-27 21:55:55 UTC
Sapheni wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Look what Microsoft is doing in cases like this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26766098

EVE should do similar.


Obviously it would need something to prevent abuse, but the concept is good. In EVE players with a red card could lose forum posting and local posting 'privileges'. No more forum trolls and no more scammers in Jita. Self regulation 4tw.


+1

See, now we are on the right track.

After the banhammer, the task for next CSM is to work out a system like this I think.

Maybe some good will happen from this tragedy after all.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#6439 - 2014-03-27 21:56:16 UTC
McDonald's is liable as they implicitly guarantee a safe environment for children if they allow children in as customers. This includes the area of the parking lot. If McDonald's is aware the crime is occurring but doesn't report, or prevent it, then they are complicit in the crime as an accessory before and after the fact.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Dave Stark
#6440 - 2014-03-27 21:56:17 UTC
Drone 16 wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
HTFU? Why? Why do we have to close our eyes and allow the game to get worse?


why does not bending to whiners make the game worse?


It doesn't, that's why I think they may take action against E1 despite the:

"sky is falling"

"pack your **** the game is over if we admit that E1 acted inappropriately"

"care bears are winning"

"we are hard guys so our whining isn't REALLY whining"

"oh noes, I will never gank again"

handwringing histrionics that you, your 10 friends and all of their alts have been doing over 300+ pages.

TL/DR stop whining I can't drink your tears fast enough


sense, make some.