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Dave Stark
#6401 - 2014-03-27 21:37:59 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
HTFU? Why? Why do we have to close our eyes and allow the game to get worse?


why does not bending to whiners make the game worse?
Ssieth
Celestial Inc
Dracarys.
#6402 - 2014-03-27 21:38:41 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Challenge: Try to add something new to 300+ page thread.

hmmm

I have had enough of the slippery slope, I want to go the other way . . . we have a mountain to climb, all of us in Eve

I want Eve to be a better game, every day a bit better than the last.

Now you may expect some pithy carebear stuff about banning scamming or ganking or the like . . . no. That is part of the game same as trumping an ace or forking a king and rook are parts of other games. The game is a combat focus and I accept that the combat can be on many levels UNTIL it gets personal. I shot your ship, somebody took your sov. All fine.

Now if it gets to threatening you, your family, your pets. WAAAY over the line.

Problem is that the line moves for each person, each case. Call one guy names and he laughs it off. Use the same name or derogatory term on another and you have again found the crossing of the line.

HTFU? Why? Why do we have to close our eyes and allow the game to get worse? Why can we not turn around and start climbing? Oh we may have to cut some dead weight that is holding us back but look up, look ahead.

climb

oh an don't forget to vote

m


You've just secured mine :)

W-Spacer.  Bittervet. 75% PvP, 25% assorted other stuff.
Dave Stark
#6403 - 2014-03-27 21:38:46 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
by completing the bonus room.


And how do they complete the bonus room?


why are you asking me? i don't run bonus rooms.
H aVo K
Tycheon Industries
#6404 - 2014-03-27 21:39:06 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Challenge: Try to add something new to 300+ page thread.

hmmm

I have had enough of the slippery slope, I want to go the other way . . . we have a mountain to climb, all of us in Eve

I want Eve to be a better game, every day a bit better than the last.

Now you may expect some pithy carebear stuff about banning scamming or ganking or the like . . . no. That is part of the game same as trumping an ace or forking a king and rook are parts of other games. The game is a combat focus and I accept that the combat can be on many levels UNTIL it gets personal. I shot your ship, somebody took your sov. All fine.

Now if it gets to threatening you, your family, your pets. WAAAY over the line.

Problem is that the line moves for each person, each case. Call one guy names and he laughs it off. Use the same name or derogatory term on another and you have again found the crossing of the line.

HTFU? Why? Why do we have to close our eyes and allow the game to get worse? Why can we not turn around and start climbing? Oh we may have to cut some dead weight that is holding us back but look up, look ahead.

climb

oh an don't forget to vote

m


/facepalm

Really? That's your idea of contributing something new? Shifting the focus back onto Sohkar's breaking point?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6405 - 2014-03-27 21:39:30 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
Challenge: Try to add something new to 300+ page thread.

hmmm

I have had enough of the slippery slope, I want to go the other way . . . we have a mountain to climb, all of us in Eve

I want Eve to be a better game, every day a bit better than the last.

Now you may expect some pithy carebear stuff about banning scamming or ganking or the like . . . no. That is part of the game same as trumping an ace or forking a king and rook are parts of other games. The game is a combat focus and I accept that the combat can be on many levels UNTIL it gets personal. I shot your ship, somebody took your sov. All fine.

Now if it gets to threatening you, your family, your pets. WAAAY over the line.

Problem is that the line moves for each person, each case. Call one guy names and he laughs it off. Use the same name or derogatory term on another and you have again found the crossing of the line.

HTFU? Why? Why do we have to close our eyes and allow the game to get worse? Why can we not turn around and start climbing? Oh we may have to cut some dead weight that is holding us back but look up, look ahead.

climb

oh an don't forget to vote

m


Can you make a definitive point? It would go a long way to earning my vote.

same

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Dave Stark
#6406 - 2014-03-27 21:39:42 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Most people seem to be differentiating between the scam and the theatre afterward, pointing to the theater as the over the top humiliation they find objectionable.

If you separate the scam itself from everything-that-happens-after-in-the-bonus-room, A. what does it have to do with EVE/CCP and B. How is it any different than a prank call by a radio show?


because he was tortured

have none of you read the memo?
Salvos Rhoska
#6407 - 2014-03-27 21:40:51 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
By this point my head is spinning


Perhaps because you forgot to wear your protective tinfoil.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#6408 - 2014-03-27 21:41:33 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Most people seem to be differentiating between the scam and the theatre afterward, pointing to the theater as the over the top humiliation they find objectionable.

If you separate the scam itself from everything-that-happens-after-in-the-bonus-room, A. what does it have to do with EVE/CCP and B. How is it any different than a prank call by a radio show?


Would you like a few links to DJ's being fired after these harmless prank calls?

Mr Epeen Cool
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#6409 - 2014-03-27 21:41:52 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Challenge: Try to add something new to 300+ page thread.

hmmm

I have had enough of the slippery slope, I want to go the other way . . . we have a mountain to climb, all of us in Eve

I want Eve to be a better game, every day a bit better than the last.

Now you may expect some pithy carebear stuff about banning scamming or ganking or the like . . . no. That is part of the game same as trumping an ace or forking a king and rook are parts of other games. The game is a combat focus and I accept that the combat can be on many levels UNTIL it gets personal. I shot your ship, somebody took your sov. All fine.

Now if it gets to threatening you, your family, your pets. WAAAY over the line.

Problem is that the line moves for each person, each case. Call one guy names and he laughs it off. Use the same name or derogatory term on another and you have again found the crossing of the line.

HTFU? Why? Why do we have to close our eyes and allow the game to get worse? Why can we not turn around and start climbing? Oh we may have to cut some dead weight that is holding us back but look up, look ahead.

climb

oh an don't forget to vote

m


Love you man! You and mynnna have been really stand up guys in this thread

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Salvos Rhoska
#6410 - 2014-03-27 21:41:54 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
by completing the bonus room.


And how do they complete the bonus room?


why are you asking me? i don't run bonus rooms.


Cos nobody seems to be able to answer it.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Dave Stark
#6411 - 2014-03-27 21:42:39 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
By this point my head is spinning


Perhaps because you forgot to wear your protective tinfoil.


you should share yours, you seem to have an abundance of it.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6412 - 2014-03-27 21:43:02 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
so they can win it back, plus a bonus. clue is in the name.


And how exactly do they win it back?


by completing the bonus room.


Salvos was on BU commes the other night and it was explained to him, step by step, in detail, how the Bonus Room works and what the conditions for winning are. He was even given the names of at least two contestants who has won.

His response was that it doesn't matter if someone else won because they had to read Olga of Kiev and a loser was asked to read The Code, so because "the specifics" were different, one was a scam, somehow.

It's a lost cause man. He's just be contrariwise for the sake of it, I think.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Dave Stark
#6413 - 2014-03-27 21:43:25 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
by completing the bonus room.


And how do they complete the bonus room?


why are you asking me? i don't run bonus rooms.


Cos nobody seems to be able to answer it.


you mean, because nobody here is erotica 1?
why don't you ask him, rather than random people.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6414 - 2014-03-27 21:44:35 UTC
Xuixien wrote:


Can you make a definitive point? It would go a long way to earning my vote.


Of particular interest to you, Erotica 1, is this, coming from two CSM posts:

""...have to cut some dead weight..."" and ""....CSM stands united in its satisfaction with direction CCP will take...""
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6415 - 2014-03-27 21:44:42 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
[quote=Salvos Rhoska][quote=Dave Stark]by completing the bonus room.


And how do they complete the bonus room?


with ******* difficulty, its a scam . what do you expect.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Ssieth
Celestial Inc
Dracarys.
#6416 - 2014-03-27 21:45:32 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Challenge: Try to add something new to 300+ page thread.


Penguins! We've not had any penguins yet.

Oh - did it have to be relevant?

;p

W-Spacer.  Bittervet. 75% PvP, 25% assorted other stuff.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6417 - 2014-03-27 21:45:45 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
HTFU? Why? Why do we have to close our eyes and allow the game to get worse?


why does not bending to whiners make the game worse?


EVE has a mountain to climb, that's why.

At the top of that mountain is Kandy Land. Players will be awarded points for completing the same quest every day for a week, and these points will be used to buy indestructible, account bound Epic Officer Modules.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Cha'ka Khan
Dark Skies Dojo
Wrong Hole.
#6418 - 2014-03-27 21:46:09 UTC
wow.... 330 pages of whining and bitching from both sides and STILL giong strong.... Get some sun people. BlinkTwisted

The only thing we have to fear, is new pilots and AFK miners. 
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6419 - 2014-03-27 21:46:24 UTC
Ssieth wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
Challenge: Try to add something new to 300+ page thread.


Penguins! We've not had any penguins yet.

Oh - did it have to be relevant?

;p

penguins are always relevant

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6420 - 2014-03-27 21:46:25 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Challenge: Try to add something new to 300+ page thread.

hmmm

I have had enough of the slippery slope, I want to go the other way . . . we have a mountain to climb, all of us in Eve

I want Eve to be a better game, every day a bit better than the last.

Now you may expect some pithy carebear stuff about banning scamming or ganking or the like . . . no. That is part of the game same as trumping an ace or forking a king and rook are parts of other games. The game is a combat focus and I accept that the combat can be on many levels UNTIL it gets personal. I shot your ship, somebody took your sov. All fine.

Now if it gets to threatening you, your family, your pets. WAAAY over the line.

Problem is that the line moves for each person, each case. Call one guy names and he laughs it off. Use the same name or derogatory term on another and you have again found the crossing of the line.

HTFU? Why? Why do we have to close our eyes and allow the game to get worse? Why can we not turn around and start climbing? Oh we may have to cut some dead weight that is holding us back but look up, look ahead.

climb

oh an don't forget to vote

m




There needs to be a clearer line drawn. That line must be drawn by you (via your constituents) in conjunction with CCP. This line does not need to be drawn by draconian changes to the TOS/EULA, but there must be a recognition when a particular activity has gone beyond the pale. A troll, Gank, Scam, flame is fine if it has an end within the game. Once an activity penetrated the RL veil while still using in-game assets, it may be grounds for serious review and censure.

While it is impossible and ineffective to dictate morality on a grand scale. certain understandings should be reached to ensure a proper balance between mature game play and....well.... overly abusive and endangering behavior. I will trust that all of the CSM & CCP will reach a fair and tempered conclusion to the emotional posts in this thread.



I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]