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H aVo K
Tycheon Industries
#6381 - 2014-03-27 21:32:32 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Look what Microsoft is doing in cases like this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26766098

EVE should do similar.


Ya I can totally see how that wouldn't be abused.

Let me just type up a blog about this guy I don't like, and get all my friends to dislike him too. Then Ill ask that those friends get their friends to dislike him too. Maybe one of them will write a thread on ~Popular Game~ about that player and we can all complain about him.

Now he has a red gamer card, and I have won in my vendetta against him.



Learn to read.

"We designed the algorithm so it won't penalise you for bad reports over a few weeks of play. The system also adjusts for false reports from people that might intentionally report someone of greater skill or for other griefing purposes," said Mr Dunn.


Until they say something to the effect of "we specifically designed this to resist the types of abuses that an EVE player would subject the system to", I'm going to go ahead and say that it's safe to call it a system that's easily gamed.

.... actually... to be honest... even if they did say that "we specifically designed this system to resist the types of abuses that an EVE player would subject the system to", I'd be inclined to say that it would fail just as spectacularly as Oracle's "Can't break it, can't break in" campaign.
Salvos Rhoska
#6382 - 2014-03-27 21:32:50 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
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Did you answer my earlier question somewhere I missed btw?

That what exactly constitutes showing "faith" for purposes of winning the Bonus Room?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6383 - 2014-03-27 21:33:04 UTC
Antisocial =/= Introverted

Although the two are too often confused.

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Dave Stark
#6384 - 2014-03-27 21:33:10 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
because if they're not going to get a bonus room, why would they give you their stuff?


Why go to a bonus room after they give you their stuff?


so they can win it back, plus a bonus. clue is in the name.

do you even understand the topic we're discussing here? you're showing a staggering lack of clue about the topic.
Vance Armistice
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6385 - 2014-03-27 21:33:35 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Vilar Diin wrote:


Has nothing to do with pixels. Has everything to do with a mayonnaise and humiliation fetishist. Blink


Which has nothing to do with the bonus room.


You just get here, Sonny?

E1 requests that some of his "contestants" dribble mayo coming out of their mouths and send him the pics.
Salvos Rhoska
#6386 - 2014-03-27 21:34:11 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
have you ever tried slamming a revolving door?

there are things that are impossible, that is one of them.


Proof is possible

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6387 - 2014-03-27 21:34:11 UTC
Challenge: Try to add something new to 300+ page thread.

hmmm

I have had enough of the slippery slope, I want to go the other way . . . we have a mountain to climb, all of us in Eve

I want Eve to be a better game, every day a bit better than the last.

Now you may expect some pithy carebear stuff about banning scamming or ganking or the like . . . no. That is part of the game same as trumping an ace or forking a king and rook are parts of other games. The game is a combat focus and I accept that the combat can be on many levels UNTIL it gets personal. I shot your ship, somebody took your sov. All fine.

Now if it gets to threatening you, your family, your pets. WAAAY over the line.

Problem is that the line moves for each person, each case. Call one guy names and he laughs it off. Use the same name or derogatory term on another and you have again found the crossing of the line.

HTFU? Why? Why do we have to close our eyes and allow the game to get worse? Why can we not turn around and start climbing? Oh we may have to cut some dead weight that is holding us back but look up, look ahead.

climb

oh an don't forget to vote

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6388 - 2014-03-27 21:34:25 UTC
Vance Armistice wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Look what Microsoft is doing in cases like this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26766098

EVE should do similar.

Are you suggesting that anyone who is anti-social should be punished?

I think that's harsh on people who made the choice to play on their own and not interact with anyone.

Cheats I can totally understand and CCP has a similar policy.

But I personally think everyone should be free to make whatever decision they like about how they want to play, whether it is social or not.


It's true, we need the "scumbags" in this game, they make the game edgy and dangerous. Admittedly, from the looks of it, we have assembled more than our fair share but the game is set up to attract them.

What we don't need is the freaks who are so warped in their out of game lives that even GS kicks them for extreme behavior.



I didn't realize that having an argument with Darius Johnson constituted "extreme behavior".

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6389 - 2014-03-27 21:34:39 UTC
Not in any bonus room I've ever bore witness to, nor the one in the Blog.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Salvos Rhoska
#6390 - 2014-03-27 21:34:58 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
so they can win it back, plus a bonus. clue is in the name.


And how exactly do they win it back?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Dave Stark
#6391 - 2014-03-27 21:34:58 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
have you ever tried slamming a revolving door?

there are things that are impossible, that is one of them.


Proof is possible


i don't see a revolving door being slammed.
Asuka Langley S
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6392 - 2014-03-27 21:35:05 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
because if they're not going to get a bonus room, why would they give you their stuff?


Why go to a bonus room after they give you their stuff?


It's like you've never read up on the bonus room or something. Or maybe you're just pushing that argument that's been defeated time and again by about a dozen different people.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#6393 - 2014-03-27 21:35:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Kristalll wrote:
Vilar Diin wrote:

Has nothing to do with pixels. Has everything to do with a mayonnaise and humiliation fetishist. Blink

Which has nothing to do with the bonus room.

That is the only bit I find arguable in the whole thing, but I'm not sure if that has been part of the bonus room since last November.

Fetishist - maybe, maybe not. That's the arguable part.
Mayonnaise - evidence suggests that at least through to last November it was part of some bonus room activities

The rest is all storm in a teacup, bought on in this particular case by Sokhar not taking responsibility for his decision to be scammed and subsequently raging in order to blame Ero and the escrow agents.

A month later, Mandarine (after having been possibly banned from the forum a couple of days ago) comes in on an alt account to whip up trouble because he wasn't personally satisfied with the outcome that FAP did nothing wrong in feeling good about the community.

Through total coincidence, Mandarine's personal outrage at a member of the community occurs around the same time as Ripard wants to make a political statement.

By this point my head is spinning because everything in the lead up to this thread has a duplicitous interpretation - and that was even before the start of the rage a molehill disguising itself as a mountain.

The non-conspiracy theorist in me is confused by this crazy reasoning, but I can't help but feel Mandarine just wanted this to go full r_etard (cycling reference, sorry).

The sooner we get back to normal crazy around here, the better.
Dave Stark
#6394 - 2014-03-27 21:35:45 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
so they can win it back, plus a bonus. clue is in the name.


And how exactly do they win it back?


by completing the bonus room.
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#6395 - 2014-03-27 21:35:57 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qELuPyDfIk

I have a written reply coming out soon but I wanted to get this out there. thanks for watching
Vyl Vit
#6396 - 2014-03-27 21:36:03 UTC
Out of curiosity I turned two professional shrinks onto this recording. I was curious if they'd detect symptoms of psychological disorder in the individuals administering the game...rather than the "victim." Oddly enough, these two shrinks are involved with criminal psychology in the justice system. They found it quite interesting. Although they wouldn't share any observations, or diagnosis they may have come up with, they did suggest I mention this (since they read a lot of the ensuing discussion as well)

1. The fixation with end user agreements and terms of service contracts is understandable. However, neither of these instruments are of any significance in a criminal court.

2. The continued references to "cyber-bullying" demonstrate an antiquated understanding (odd for the internet) of current law with regard to internet use.

3. Of particular note is; current law emphasizes "making available" content of a certain "nature". Making such content available to minors weighs heavily in this regard.

4. "Making available" is generally defined as to whether access is obtainable without use of passwording. (Providing a link to a source where restricted content is accessible without need of a password is defined as "making available" in most jurisdictions today.)

5. "Restricted content" is established by "competent authority" in a courtroom environment. ("Competent authority" can be used to describe my two shrink friends who offer these comments, as that's what they do for a living; testify as court experts.)

Have a nice day. Idea

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#6397 - 2014-03-27 21:36:45 UTC
Here that? The choir of angelic voices that literally float up off the page when a lot of the posters in here spell the word 'Erotica 1'? They usually say that right after they spit out 'that racist bastard' and 'CSM sock puppet'.

It's cute and all, but a tired and overused technique.

Mr Epeen Cool
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6398 - 2014-03-27 21:37:04 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Challenge: Try to add something new to 300+ page thread.

hmmm

I have had enough of the slippery slope, I want to go the other way . . . we have a mountain to climb, all of us in Eve

I want Eve to be a better game, every day a bit better than the last.

Now you may expect some pithy carebear stuff about banning scamming or ganking or the like . . . no. That is part of the game same as trumping an ace or forking a king and rook are parts of other games. The game is a combat focus and I accept that the combat can be on many levels UNTIL it gets personal. I shot your ship, somebody took your sov. All fine.

Now if it gets to threatening you, your family, your pets. WAAAY over the line.

Problem is that the line moves for each person, each case. Call one guy names and he laughs it off. Use the same name or derogatory term on another and you have again found the crossing of the line.

HTFU? Why? Why do we have to close our eyes and allow the game to get worse? Why can we not turn around and start climbing? Oh we may have to cut some dead weight that is holding us back but look up, look ahead.

climb

oh an don't forget to vote

m


Can you make a definitive point? It would go a long way to earning my vote.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Salvos Rhoska
#6399 - 2014-03-27 21:37:38 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
by completing the bonus room.


And how do they complete the bonus room?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#6400 - 2014-03-27 21:37:45 UTC
Most people seem to be differentiating between the scam and the theatre afterward, pointing to the theater as the over the top humiliation they find objectionable.

If you separate the scam itself from everything-that-happens-after-in-the-bonus-room, A. what does it have to do with EVE/CCP and B. How is it any different than a prank call by a radio show?

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM