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Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6301 - 2014-03-27 21:01:24 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.



Great! Time to lock this thread.

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#6302 - 2014-03-27 21:01:51 UTC
H aVo K wrote:
Louis Robichaud wrote:
I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure where the line is exactly. It doesn't matter though. E1 crossed it by a mile. Anyone with a shred of decency can see that.

That is why all the arguing about minutiae and the exact definition of the law or EULA is quite revealing.


is it?

I'd like to see this sort of gameplay removed, or at least made less *safe* for those who engage in it. I mean, scamming idiots in Jita is MORE SAFE than MINING IN HISEC .... there's just something fundamentally wrong with that, y'know?

... but I worry that simply banning him out of hand under the auspices of some new or existing rule could be bad.

... I worry that suddenly people who do similar activities (like this hilarious example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCEilTdoyR0 ) will suddenly find themselves getting banned.

I think that that would be bad for the game.

So, yes, the minutiae is the important part of this whole thread. Those minutiae are the very reason why this whole shitshow hasn't been locked yet, and why CCP said they're paying close attention to the thread.

They're important.

Sounds like they're torturing CCP Gargant and he's enjoying it. They're even physically restraining a player in game. Uh oh, bans inc.

People talking about how E1 "clearly crossed a line" seem to be anathema to articulating clearly what that line is. And more importantly, what it isn't.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
H aVo K
Tycheon Industries
#6303 - 2014-03-27 21:01:57 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
H aVo K wrote:
You could say... it's immaterial.


I'd say its quite material, when it is the mechanism employed against the victim in order to force them out of the Bonus Room, in order to win it.


So by that definition (that you're ignoring) that I linked you, it's only torture if the pain is inflicted on someone that they physically control.... and because they're using it to push them out of the bonus room (and outside their "control"), it's torture.

Your logic is *actually* causing me pain. I'm not even exaggerating.
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6304 - 2014-03-27 21:02:28 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


Ok, so that isn't.

Then what is?


Having fun and showing faith. You were told that before you handed your assets over.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Dave Stark
#6305 - 2014-03-27 21:02:32 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.

can we get a blue tag to weigh in on the matter?


we've had two. don't break the forum rules is the official stance.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#6306 - 2014-03-27 21:02:41 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.


So nothing will be done to Erotica 1 then, except maybe a slap on the wrist and possibly some revision of the EULA.


This is the most likely outcome based on previous events...

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6307 - 2014-03-27 21:02:44 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.


excellent, now everyone can get on with ignoring the whole issue like they have been for the months it has been going on.


Yeah. The issue they were ignoring for months until Erotica 1's life was threatened by a mentally unstable client.

Somehow this means Erotica 1 is in the wrong.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
olan2005
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6308 - 2014-03-27 21:02:48 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Jen Takhesis wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:

So let me ask you some simple questions:
Does Erotic 1 deserve a ban (some are even pushing for a lifetime ban)?
If yes, on what grounds?
Which rules did he break to result in this punishment?


Woah, seriously? Have you read the Eve Online terms of service?

"Failure to comply with these regulations can result in the immediate termination of your account and you will forfeit all unused access time to the game. No refunds will be given.

"1. You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player...
"2. You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language..."

Now, you may argue that some of this occurred outside of the Eve Online servers, but there is also no doubt that parts of the behaviors were simultaneously occurring on the Eve Online servers. So the abusive/harassing behavior was in both spheres. Or are you seriously arguing the equivalent of "I beat him up off school grounds, so when he opened his locker to give me his lunch money, no beatings occurred on school grounds?"


Erotica 1 did not abuse (despite certain individuals finding non-legal definitions of the term and trying to contort Erotica 1's actions to fit), harass (the individual was free to leave at any time) or threaten anyone.
Erotica 1 did not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language.

Either you did not listen to the recording or you did not read the quote you posted, or both.


The counter point to you're argument is that coercion through holding assets to ransom was used to get the player to stay . Finish and
You get your stuff back. ,was the ransom angle that kept the victim their. He was not completely free to leave as that meant forfeiture of his assets


Yes, I am sure that would hold up in court ("Your honor, the subject was clearly held in duress. The defendant had taken possession of his virtual spaceship."

Also, you should read the EULA. None of the items are owned by the players. So Sohkar had no assets to hold as ransom. You think paying 15 a month means you own your ISK? No, you are merely paying for access to the System and the toys CCP allows you to play with.


But there is still an intrinsic value to the player who invested time to acquire virtual assets which are the property of ccp but his to use. Without those assets he would have had to start from scratch
Salvos Rhoska
#6309 - 2014-03-27 21:03:05 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
---


So you admit Bonus Round is unwinnable?

But that makes you a liar for having said that people have won it.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6310 - 2014-03-27 21:04:02 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.

can we get a blue tag to weigh in on the matter?


we've had two. don't break the forum rules is the official stance.

lol, forgive me for missing that.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Dave Stark
#6311 - 2014-03-27 21:04:37 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.


excellent, now everyone can get on with ignoring the whole issue like they have been for the months it has been going on.


Yeah. The issue they were ignoring for months until Erotica 1's life was threatened by a mentally unstable client. ripard used his blog to spark a witch hunt.

Somehow this means Erotica 1 is in the wrong.


ftfy.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#6312 - 2014-03-27 21:04:41 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.

Thanks Malcanis!

Will there be a blog or other announcement of what the position on this will be?

Although I'm pretty sure most of us already have a good idea of what it will be...

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Salvos Rhoska
#6313 - 2014-03-27 21:04:44 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
showing faith


How do you show faith for purposes of winning the Bonus Round?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#6314 - 2014-03-27 21:05:34 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.


So nothing will be done to Erotica 1 then, except maybe a slap on the wrist and possibly some revision of the EULA.


You could make that interpretation

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Vilar Diin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6315 - 2014-03-27 21:05:46 UTC
Berendas wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Really? Is that what they should do? Just lock it? Because you said so?

Or should they do what they are doing. Using it for feedback and a time killer while they formulate a response to an issue that would have come to a head sooner or later with or without Ripard as the catalyst.

They're giving us the respect of allowing us to post our feelings on this matter unmoderated. How often does that happen? If I were you I'd just back out of the thread now since you are so offended by this rare concession from CCP.

Mr Epeen Cool

You seem to be confusing a suggestion for an order. Besides, any posts that would constitute meaningful or useful feedback have long since been lost in this 300+ page leviathan of egregious metaphors and mudslinging. I'm not a particularly active poster in the thread, but as an EVE player I have a interest in what might occur as a result of all this nonsense. I'll continue to keep checking up on it as long as it remains active even if I'm against the thread staying open.

Slightly related: Several pages back someone posted a link to a 'stat' page for this thread. Would anyone kindly supply a link to that page or inform me on how to view/recreate it myself?


It is amusing to see that the same people that tell others to "do something if you have a problem with it" are the one's that are now trying to suppress the unified voice of the community. (aside from 10 people or so and their alts)
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6316 - 2014-03-27 21:05:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
i dont see this ending well for ripard

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#6317 - 2014-03-27 21:06:00 UTC
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.



Great! Time to lock this thread.


Agreed, its disintigrating into a typical General Discussion thread.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#6318 - 2014-03-27 21:06:21 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.


excellent, now everyone can get on with ignoring the whole issue like they have been for the months it has been going on.


Yeah. The issue they were ignoring for months until Erotica 1's life was threatened by a mentally unstable client.

Somehow this means Erotica 1 is in the wrong.


You post exactly like Baltec. Exactly. It's uncanny once you see it.

Mr Epeen Cool
Dave Stark
#6319 - 2014-03-27 21:07:42 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


Yeah. The issue they were ignoring for months until Erotica 1's life was threatened by a mentally unstable client. ripard used his blog to spark a witch hunt.

Somehow this means Erotica 1 is in the wrong.


ftfy.

i dont see this ending well for him[/quote]

nothing will happen to erotica, the racist who's name i still can't remember how to spell, or ripard.

the official stance will be "care is lower than a hooker's undergarments" and swept under the carpet.
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6320 - 2014-03-27 21:07:42 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just to inject some factual information:

1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue.
2) So have the CSM.
3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.


So nothing will be done to Erotica 1 then, except maybe a slap on the wrist and possibly some revision of the EULA.


They'll probably put this: http://community.eveonline.com/support/knowledge-base/article.aspx?articleId=34

into a welcome to eve mail lol

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.